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Call Her Out, But Call Her Cait: Caitlyn Jenner and Why I’m Never Here for Transphobia

I detest Caitlyn Jenner. The list of reasons starts with her association with the Kardashians whom I find deplorable. I detest that she believes the hardest part of being a woman is deciding what to wear. I detested the pretentious speech she gave when she accepted the Arthur Ashe Award. I detest how she only passingly mentioned how black trans women are being murdered at alarming rates during her special with Diane Sawyer. I detest Caitlyn Jenner.

I detest the media’s infatuation and pedestaling of Caitlyn Jenner. I detest that Caitlyn Jenner’s transition has been chronicled with the dignity and tenderness that poor trans women are never granted. I hate the way she’s been made the face of transgender women when her experience coming into her womanhood has been anything but typical. I hate that she’s been all over magazines exalted for her fashion sense as if most transgender women have the luxury of $5,000 dresses and a full beauty team. I detest the media’s infatuation and pedestaling of Caitlyn Jenner.

I detest Caitlyn Jenner. I detest how she’s used her platform irresponsibly. I detest that any press she does is self-indulged. I detest that she’s a proud Republican. I detest that she refuses to acknowledge the intersections of race and class that have afforded her a level of protection that poor black and brown trans people are never given. I detest how aggressive and arrogant she’s been with urging trans people to step out and live their truths when she took more than six decades to reveal her truth to the world, having the wealth to make whatever cosmetic changes and alterations she felt would make her more comfortable, as well as the celebrity status which brought her more acceptance than most transgender people will ever attain. I detest Caitlyn Jenner.

So I will call her an elitist, but I will not call her Bruce. I will call her narcissistic, but I will not call her a tranny. I will call her selfish, but I won’t call her a man. I will call her self-absorbed, but I won’t call her “shim.” I will call her callous, but I won’t call her “him.” I will call her phony, but I won’t make reference to her genitals. I will call her an oppressor, but I won’t call her a freak. I will call her delusional, but I won’t call her a dude. I criticize how she uses her voice, but I won’t criticize the tone and texture of her voice. I will call her a poor role model, but I won’t call her sick.

Caitlyn Jenner is everything I detest, but my disdain for her has nothing to do with her trans status. Fact is, Caitlyn Jenner will never read much of the criticisms and bigotry printed about her. She won’t hear the slurs and jokes about her, but the trans people without celebrity and support will. Black trans women like Islan Nettles, Zella Ziona and Kiesha Jenkins did hear those violent words and crushing punchlines. They will be the ones tortured and traumatized by the vicious attacks and reactions to Caitlyn’s transition.

Caitlyn Jenner’s position as a rich white trans woman has carved out a whole new brand for her, one that’s secured her TV shows, awards and endless opportunities to expand her celebrity and bank account. So she’s good, despite how hurtful the comments she may hear or read are, but poor black and brown trans women are, unlike Caitlyn, punished and penalized for their transitions. Trans women who are not independently wealthy are not being contacted to pose on magazine covers and pitch reality shows. These women have to work. And they’re being discriminated against with such malice that 1 in 8 trans women are unemployed and 1 in 4 black trans women are unemployed. Trans women without the security of Olympic medals and money are being forced into sex work to survive.

Caitlyn Jenner had more than a half century to develop the courage to step out and be herself. She’s had the time to overcome some of the insecurities and fear associated with transitioning. She’s fully grown and lives a comfortable life. So while she’s gushed about the support of her family and mother, she’s good on housing and food, but the teenage trans girls who get caught in dresses and makeup, and are kicked out of the house by their parents who cannot understand their children’s identity are not. These girls are forced to make a choice between being true to themselves and having a place to stay. These girls are homeless and afraid. They are the ones hearing and reading your hateful comments, not Caitlyn.

Despite all the abusive slurs hurled her way, Caitlyn Jenner has attention and status that act as somewhat of a shield from the violence poor, unknown trans women experience. She will most likely never have to walk down the street and have a brick thrown at her because some transphobic savage can’t respect her right to live in her truth. She will most likely never have to look straight ahead avoiding eye contact and ignoring the people yelling slurs and threats at her. She can afford security if necessary. She won’t have to protect herself like CeCe McDonald, only to be charged and imprisoned for being trans and having the nerve to stand up for herself.

Caitlyn Jenner won’t hear your disgust over whatever augmentations she’s made to herself. She has the money to buy the best medical care and cosmetic surgery, so she’s good. But the poor trans women who cannot afford to make the augmentations they may want or need are hearing your disgust. They’re the ones who cannot afford a Beverly Hills doctor to help them look the part. They’re the ones going being humiliated and demeaned by a physician who asks the most invasive and disrespectful questions. They’re the ones being forced to buy hormones from street dealers because they don’t have insurance or the insurance they do have won’t cover them. These poor trans women are the ones injured by your words. They’re the ones who feel forced to take whatever measure they can, no matter the health risks, to become cis passing and avoid the constant mental terror and harassment.

Your words and callousness aren’t hurting Caitlyn Jenner. She’s largely been accepted. Your words are hurting your classmates who have to keep reminding people of their proper pronouns. Your words are hurting your loved ones who want to tell you they’re ready to transition. Your words are oppressing trans women who aren’t cis passing, who don’t have the financial means and fan base of Caitlyn Jenner. Your words are triggering and bruising black trans women who are already legitimately afraid they’ll be killed for walking out of the house in makeup and a stilettos. Caitlyn Jenner is not the one you’re hurting.

So please, call Caitlyn out on all her bullshit. I welcome it. I encourage. I do it. Lambaste her for her  politics in direct opposition to what’s best for the trans people she has a responsibility to help protect. Mock her ridiculous one liners about the superficial shit she thinks being a woman means. Drag her for her neglect of the trans community. CALL.HER.ASS.OUT. But please, call her Caitlyn.

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212 comments… add one
  • kira ,

    This is so well written in absolutely in awe. A school assessment on the Kardashian idiocy brought me here and I absolutely love this article.

  • David M ,

    So then women who are infertile aren’t really women to you? After all, that seems to be your criteria.

  • I find it so amazing that people who months ago threatened to block those who didn’t agree with the Vanity Fair cover of Caitlyn and who described themselves as “trans allies” have now seemingly turned on her. (This is a generalization, and only based on interactions I have had with others, not the author of this article.)
    This is what diversity really looks like everyone: just because someone is a member of the LGBTQ population does not mean they will have the same value system as you. I find the article to be somewhat mean-spirited, but it does make a case for the real issue (in my opinion) facing our community: economic disparity. Thank you LaSha for having the courage to speak your mind.

  • Felice ,

    Lilykat, definitely, white trans women do *not* have it easy, and there are many with much more priviledge than they who look down their judgemental noses at them without having a clue what that individual is dealing with. That said, any one of those individuals, everything else being the same in their life, but also being black instead of white, would experience even *more* discrimination and likelyhood of violence. That is a small bit of what LaSha was referring to when she mentioned intersectionality. The reality is that statistically, it is *much* more dangerous to be a trans woman of color than it is to be a white trans women. That shouldn’t be used to diminish the real difficulties and dangers a white trans woman experiences (more than any person should face), *but* the reality of the *extra* difficulties of trans women of color should be acknowledged and given due concern and voice.

    I personally respect the difficulties Caitlyn has faced, and admire what good she has done/is trying to do, while also thinking it is very important to point out when the ideas she puts forward in the media coverage are harmful when applied to other trans individuals (which unfortunately are many.) I believe she deserves kindness (after all, she is in a situation that is clearly not easy), but not a free pass to not have it pointed out when her views are harmful when applied to others in the trans community, especially those less advantaged than her. So, basically I agree with this author’s point, but not the callousness of writing about how you despise *a person* whose shoes you have not walked in, which perhaps is what you were trying to bring out. If the article stuck with the *ideas* Caitlyn has espoused that the author sees is harmful to others, and not strayed into language of a personal attack, I would be 100% behind it. Still, despite this, I think the article brought out important and valid points that should be acknowledged. (I’m all for being able to see both the good and bad in things, acknowledging the good, and calling out what is harmful at the same time.)

  • Wow, this post touched a nerve. The only thing Caitlyn did that was positive was bring trans people into greater awareness. However, this would have happened soon anyway. Does anyone else realize there are other trans people in the media and that they do act as advocates? Whereas Ms. Jenner gives the image of an oblivious Republican with some vague liberal feelings towards transgendered folk. Otherwise, her “reality” TV show is an extension of the Kardashian network. Entertainment for some, maybe most people. The problem is, if you are a transgender person reading this, that most of the cis-gender population is very influenced, at least in the U.S. by TV. Are you a wealthy ex-elite athlete and television star? Do you live in the lavish circumstances mentioned here and elsewhere? Yes, some other trans people do, minus the fame, but they are a fraction of an already small minority. Put another way, if Cait were a political candidate, and you had to choose between her or say, Janet Mock, or other celebs who are aware, who better would represent the interests of transgender people? Hell, I think there are educated people living on the street who would do much much better job. Well, de facto: Ms. Jenner is representing us to thousands, maybe millions. I grant that people are slamming her and insulting her. That she is oblivious is not good.

  • Lolly ,

    “A transgender.” Oh boy. And only people who can bear children are women–so the infertile don’t count? And have you ever heard of intersex individuals? Probably not.

    So much ignorance in one self-righteous, sanctimonious little post.

  • Sher ,

    Great article. I do admire Caitlyn for her courage, because I think there is ALWAYS great courage for someone to come out as trans. And I did have high hopes for her to educate herself about the role that was foisted upon her, and do it justice. She certainly did have a choice, as all celebrities do. And sadly, tragically, she chooses to voice opinions that are steeped in ignorance and privilege… and are NOT in any way helpful to the trans community. I have gone from being hopeful, to being extremely disappointed in her. And… I most certainly WILL call her Caitlyn. Thank you.

  • Dcdesign ,

    Thanks for speaking up about her white privilege, power, money & status as an already established member of Hollywood royalty. What saddens me is that, as you point out, it’s every day trans ppl & allies who suffer when she makes insipid, uninformed comments & we have to hear the horrible jokes & feel the backlash. Worse is the phony air-kiss of media “acceptance” which is more about the $$$ to be earned. There are hundreds of homeless trans kids forced to work on the street for something to eat with ten times her talent & looks but none of them were Bruce married to a Kardashian, so a built-in revenue stream. Please, Hollywood, be as kind to ALL trans ppl as you are to Cait.

  • Sandra ,

    And therefore infertile women, women who have had hysterectomies, and those of us in menopause are not women because we are not capable of giving birth. Damn, I need a new identity.

  • sporadicchef ,

    Actually, yes she did. No one forced her to do a television special, or appear on the cover of Vanity Fair. She could have chosen a thousand other routes up to and including ignoring the hateful things that were being written. Celebrities do it all the time. However, she chose to make it about as public as possible without actually taking us into the operating room with her.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    Yes!

  • Misha ,

    I do understand your point (s), and it doesn’t make any sense to me that she is a Republican. I have watched I Am Cait, however, and she has had many different women and activist members if the LGBT community on to A) help her out and also B) all of them have been pretty forthright (albeit gently) in informing Caitlyn how very different her experience is than just about every other trans man or woman’s in America. She was/is very ignorant of non-privileged people’s everyday, lifelong struggles. I sincerely hope she gets it someday because she is in a unique situation that could have a lot more of a positive impact for a greater community than she is siding with the bigoted Republican party.

  • I didn’t read anything in the article about Jenner being at fault for the plight of trans women. However, Jenner has a use, both as a distortion of that plight as well as a target for transphobic attacks. No doubt she faces some verbal attacks via media, but she is shielded from any real consequences as far as I can see, from her outing herself. In the mean time, her show and appearances, and statements present trans women as living in a fantasy world. The real plight of transgender men and women is largely absent. It is hard to believe that she isn’t aware on some level that she has a function. For instance, what Republican politician anywhere has come out as doing anything positive for trans women? I think we are so hungry for a representative celebrity in a culture that worships celebrity, that when one emerges, we set all critique aside. Again, that does not mean we attack her as a transgender woman. That would show internalized transphobia. We can criticize her for doing really little positive beyond augmenting her career.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    I’m just basking in the perfection of this read. BRAVO!

  • Erin, I found it ironic that you started your reply with “I detest when writers just try to express their opinions rather than making thoughtful arguments.” and then went on to simply express your opinion without making a thoughtful argument. Your vitriol towards the author of this article seems either misplaced or confused. I share the point of view the author made in this piece and am glad to see that others understand that dislike of Caitlyn is not the same as transphobia. I find Kim Kardashian despicable but that doesn’t mean I’m a misogynist.

    One last thing. Who are you to determine the content of someone’s blog? The very reason weblogs exist is to give people a place to write whatever they wish. Your agreement with the point of view expressed is not required and no one asked you if this article met with your standard of acceptable criteria for an argument. Perhaps the author just wanted to vent (which you apparently chose to do as well on someone elses page).

    But hey, I wish you the best.

  • Joel ,

    Your view is dumb as shit, and I do not respect it. I respect your right to have a view, but not the view itself. Is a woman who has a hysterectomy, or her tubes tied, or any other such surgery no longer a woman because they cannot bear children? Why is bearing children the sole defining trait of being a woman? Is having the ability to impregnate someone the sole defining trait that makes one a man? This is absurd.

    Newsflash: you don’t have to respect people’s opinions, you just have to acknowledge that they have a right to have one. You absolutely can tell them how fucking stupid their ideas are, just like I did here.

  • Dan ,

    My aunt was never capable of giving birth. I guess I’ll have to tell her she’s not a woman.

  • Blossom ,

    So, if a woman is barren, and cannot have children, or had her baby making factory removed she’s not a woman anymore, according to your “definition”, because she’s incapable of having children? Screw you.

  • By your definition, infertile women are technically not “women”

  • to be fair, caitlyn did not choose to make her transition very public. as everyone seems to have forgotten, before she came out as trans, every tabloid and trash news show was picking her apart, scrutinising her every move. she had no choice, she either had to own her transition and choose to share it publicly in her own way or have it splashed all over the tabloids in a far less dignified manner

  • <<Last I checked, biologically speaking a women is a human that is capable of giving birth. Now I don’t wish to argue or convince you of this exact point of the subject, rather please just respect my view; though by all means you are free to disagree.

    You do know that not all women who are born with a vagina and all the correct reproductive organs are capable of giving birth right? There are any number of reasons why a woman is not capable of giving birth. So does that make a woman like myself who was born with all the right parts and given that nod of female by the Doctor and all that not a woman simply because I am not capable of giving birth? So what would I be then?

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    Not a damn thing!

  • sporadicchef ,

    What does feminizing her voice or not have to do with anything?

  • sporadicchef ,

    Please, show me exactly where the author blames Caitlyn for anything other than her own behavior. No, really. I’ll wait.

  • sporadicchef ,

    So a person is only a woman if she can bear children? How very ignorant of you.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    Seems to me that you have major hurdles with reading comprehension.

  • Stephanie Shoup ,

    I find Caitlyn to be strangely on the wrong side of trans issues. I don’t know how she could
    be so insensitive to the plight of most trans people She talks like a redneck making no effort to feminize her voice. Claiming to be Republican is bizarre to say the least. She could be a leader
    but she is rich and gets her way regardless. No, she is not the leader for trans people to rally
    around. It really is a shame!

  • Bobbo ,

    Bitter? The real plight of transgender women is not Caitlin Jenner’s fault. Seems to me, dear author, that you’re blaming Jenner for the world’s transphobia. Personally, I think she’s courageous despite her wealth and prominence. While you’re at it, shall we hold her responsible for global warming and world hunger?

  • Chris ,

    I agree with every word you wrote.

  • Daniella ,

    Your first paragraph was amusing lol. I just want to say that when I read this article, I never got that the author was blaming Caitlyn for the tragedies faced by transgender people. So I think you missed the point a bit. Yes the author was saying that it’s unfair for her to represent these transgender persons because she doesn’t face the same hardships that they face. Also, I don’t think for the purpose of this article it was necessary for the author to provide an argument for the opinions that he’s stated. The purpose of the opinions was for us to see that we can make “noise” about Caitlyn, without it being about her transgender status.
    In addition, I do believe, however, that the point the author was trying to make is that WE (society) are the ones causing transgender people more tragedies when we insult Caitlyn. That as much as our hate and disgust might be directed toward Caitlyn, who may not even read our comments, all these slurs are absorbed by all the transgendered persons reading them. And that we should be mindful of our words to Caitlyn as it affects a wider group of people. The author was not blaming Caitlyn for anything, at least that’s what I got from reading the article.
    I also believe that there was a suggestion at the end. The message at the end was basically, if you want to call out Caitlyn as a PERSON, then fine, but don’t insult her because of her gender identity. This can be inferred when the author said, “But please, call her Caitlyn.”

  • A Woman ,

    Although I can absolutely not agree with your post I respect your rights to opinions however offensive they may be; but last I checked there hasn’t been a single educated person in the last century to characterize a woman biologically by her ability to give birth; how increadibly ignorant can you be?

  • If anything, she’s hurt trans people, because a lot of people look at Caitlyn and see someone hungry for attention, and pulling a publicity stunt. I know a lot of people who tend to be good hearted who would have been way more sympathetic to trans issues if it wasn’t a reality TV star transitioning so publicly.

  • Do women stop being women when they hit menopause? What if a woman didn’t have a child before menopause? What was she? And I still haven’t had a child… will I never be a woman?

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    Your comment is so brilliantly ignorant, I don’t have to tear it apart. You’ve done me the favor of proving your idiocy and I thank you kindly.

  • jkbob ,

    The absurdity of this post has caused it to be covered at PowerLine blog.

    I can understand why black transsexuals want special deference, as it advantages them and gives them a weird kind of power. It’s the same garbage that happened to gay rights movements and seriously weakened them: gay organizing became a non-stop, inward-looking “processing session” dedicated to the special demands of minorities of minorities rather than directed to the real world.

    As I said, i can understand the self-interest involved. I just don’t see why someone’s self-interest should be taken as some kind of convincing moral argument to anyone else. And that is exactly what I do think is going on here.

    By the way, perhaps the author should credit the essay “I Hate Straights” for the stylistic approach here, though that essay was much better written.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    It’s so simple for some people to understand!

  • The problem with this logic is that most people don’t call a cis-gender woman a man if she acts similarly to Caitlyn. Women can be spoiled, selfish, misogynists too, and unless you are denying those women their right to express themselves as a woman, it’s not fair to deny a spoiled, selfish, transgender woman the right to express herself as a woman.

  • Talia ,

    “A transgender?” srsly? Do you say “a gay”? Your ignorance of a basic tenet of gender identity kind of invalidated your whole argument, but thanks for writing. Maybe read some more and try to gain some understanding of what it is you are trying to weigh in on.

  • This person clearly doesn’t like Caitlyn Jenner, but that doesn’t seem to be the point of the article. By saying “Hey, guys, I don’t like her either”, she’s getting the attention of people who don’t like Caityln, then she’s telling those people that even if you don’t like Caitlyn as a person, it’s not right to use transphobic slurs against her. Calling Caitlyn mean names and making fun of the fact that she’s transgender doesn’t actually address the things about Caitlyn that most people are taking issue with. Instead, it’s just harming less privileged transgender people who see those slurs and internalize the idea that they are bad or wrong for being transgender.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    It detracts for people who are uncomfortable with the realities of racism. Even more, you like a few other people who’ve commented, need to work on your reading comprehension. I made emphasis to both poor trans women and poor black and brown trans women. Obviously poverty affects is all, but stacking the deck with racism means that black/Latina/Native/Arab/Asian trans women are affected even more beyond poverty. Anyway, if you don’t agree, I don’t care.

  • Amy ,

    So you wish this person had more to feel sad about? I feel sad for your Karma

  • Amy ,

    Your blog exposes another issue, you keep emphasis on what “black and brown” transgender persons (and yeah it would be transgender persons, or transgenders as there are also women who feel like men) go through, what of Asian or even white non-celebrity transgender people? You seem to be excluding anyone from having a different experience from Cait, and lumping all of them into a privilege that does not exist for them either. As a white person one can not just call Barbara Walters and have a special. As a white woman I certainly don’t have a beauty team. It seems you are upset at discrimination against gender, but not skin color, which detracts from the rest of your opinion being received with anything but a head shake at a person spreading a discriminating message that somehow all people who don’t have black or brown skin somehow have access to wealth and media resources based on the color of their skin.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    Your points are absolutely valid, still, there’s a neglect of her obligations to the population as a whole. I feel you though.

  • Caitlin ,

    It’s a very interesting article. I wonder, would you consider that Caitlyn Jenner’s chosen platform may be to support transwomen at a much older age?

    I feel as though she might be mentioning trans women of color in passing simply because she knows that she IS so unlike them that she cannot speak to their experiences. She may want to make sure to mention it, but not feel comfortable going into further detail- instead, leaving that platform for women like Laverne Cox. Meanwhile, she can take up the relatively silent platform of transitioning after you have lived the majority of your life. That population of individuals faces a whole different set of challenges- the fear of betraying your children and spouse, losing your job, and uprooting an entire life.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    I feel sorry for you if an article is the saddest thing you encounter. Real life problems are happening.

  • Brian ,

    such transparent hatred and cruelty. i cant imagine detesting anyone. this article has done nothing but divide humanity when the one thing this world needs right now, more than anything, is a sense of unity. i feel sorry for, and sad for, everyone who is arguing over something that really doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    I love how you know so much about me. I now need to rethink my entire life. ???

  • Well when she behaves like a childish spoiled man and votes for the oppression of women.
    I will call her a MAN !!!
    When she starts thinking about women without a man’s stupidity THEN I will call her a Woman. Right now she’s just playing dress up. It’s time to tap into that X chromosome a little more.

  • John ,

    You have a ridiculous inferiority complex, it’s kind of amusing to see it manifest in your words. Broaden your horizons a bit, you’ve got tunnel vision going on and it makes you sound like an idiot. You’re SUPER brave though.

  • markinirvine ,

    “Jenner” is how I refer to this person.

  • mousepumper ,

    As another Trans, I’ll say that many of us have a story similar to ourselves–not Caitlyn’s story–and the difference is minor details. It’s not easy for ANY of us and it’s not easy for Cait.

    I’ve been following the blogs and the public is TRASHING her and others Trans–like the author above–when we should be supporting one another. We have no “Trans Community” because put 2 m2f’s in a room and 90% of the time it’s a cat-fight. We make natal women look like angels!!!

    Keep in mind that exposure and education to all-things-Trans is a GOOD thing. Perhaps people will realize that we’re not monsters and move to the next item of business.

  • No Ginger! No! ,

    “Some might respond that gender doesn’t exist, but regardless of those claims, I feel inverting ones genitals doesn’t make them capable of bearing children. Last I checked, biologically speaking a women is a human that is capable of giving birth.”

    The last time I checked, there are plenty of women in the world with the inability to have children. Therefore this issue cannot be used as a basis for your argument.

    “In a survey of married women, the CDC found that 1.5 million women in the US (6%) are infertile (Source: National Survey of Family Growth, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention [CDC] 2006-2010).”

  • This article was not the least bit “unreadable”. I’d say “detest” was quite appropriate in making the point!

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    Girl, I could have my 12-year-old niece school you. Intersectionality is not a theory but fact. I’d keep going, but I have a practice of not engaging in battles of wit with unarmed opponents.

  • Lilykat ,

    While the theory began as an exploration of the oppression of women of color within society, today the analysis is potentially applied to all categories (including dominant statuses).

    Next time you want to ‘school’ someone, make sure you do YOUR homework!

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    Do your self a favor and Google intersections.

  • Lilykat ,

    I love how people think white trans girls have it easy when in reality its not true! I’m a white trans girl and I can tell you out of experience that its not easy at all. The only reason people think black trans girls have it so bad is because that’s all the news and magazines even talk about. No one mentions and even fail to realize that we have it just as bad but because we aren’t the “minority” we don’t get warranted a say so! Go ahead and bash this if you want but open your eyes, people, and realize that ALL trans people are met with hatred and threats whether we be white, black, male or female!

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    Odd since more than 300,000 other folks were able to read it. Perhaps paying a little more attention in those English courses might’ve helped. Also Google “cadence.” ??

  • delaney maser ,

    The amount of times you used the word detest made this article unreadable

  • sporadicchef ,

    Not even remotely what the author was saying. Please show me where they said she was responsible for ALL of transphobia.

    No, really. I must have missed that.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    I must’ve missed it! It’s up now.

  • sporadicchef ,

    Just wondering why this is still awaiting moderation . The account this is linked to is actually expired, so I don’t get any email through it.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    And there’s a reason your opinion has the value of dust.

  • Jessa ,

    Nail on the head. This was immature and half-baked. Holding one person accountable for all of transphobia…well, there is a reason this is on a blog!

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    ❤️❤️❤️

  • sporadicchef ,

    I hate to embarrass you with my eloquence, but…

    THIS. So hard.

  • sporadicchef ,

    This is everything I didn’t even realize I wanted to say. Thank you.

  • sporadicchef ,

    My dear person, if you don’t like it when someone expresses their opinions rather than making thoughtful arguments I would suggest you avoid reading blog posts and stick to hard news sites. The whole point of this piece /is/ the author’s opinion. I’m not exactly sure how you have concluded that the author’s arguments are not thoughtful, but from your first paragraph I can only assume it is because of the tone of the post. If you had taken the time to notice, the author has taken the time to include facts and figures, something which you seem to have conveniently forgotten.

    As for your second paragraph, I’m not allowed to argue with ignorant people on my birthday, so you’ll have to excuse my dismissal of this load of dreck.

    And oh, the last paragraph. No, Caitlyn was not elected to be the spokesperson for “transgenders” (and please at least try to learn how not to insult an entire group of people just by typing), but she did choose to make her transition /very/ public, and in doing so, combined with her already established celebrity, made herself a de facto symbol for the community. There are plenty of celebrities with truly private lives, and she chooses not to live hers that way. That comes with a certain amount of responsibility as a role model whether she likes it or not.

    And finally, this:

    “if you want to call her a woman then you need to respect her line ‘the hardest part of being a woman is deciding what to wear” as a genuine valid opinion about womanhood… from a woman”

    is one of the most insulting things I have read in a while. Not because of what Caitlyn said, or even the fact that you seem to agree with her (that just makes me incredibly sad that someone has convinced you that your value is somehow tied up in how you look), but because you felt it was necessary to qualify that the statement was coming from a woman. What makes you qualified to judge the gender of the author, or to judge the validity of their opinion about the quote based upon that assumption? How does being a woman in the first place make your opinion on the subject more valid? I think it’s the stupidest thing I’ve heard this week. I also happen to be a woman. My brother also thinks it’s the stupidest thing he’s heard this week. Is he not allowed to have an opinion because he happens to be a man?

    Basically your comment is a pseudo-intellectual attempt to make yourself feel better about your hate, and it fails because of its transparency. Alas, no Showcase Showdown for you, but your parting gift is a hefty dose of ignorance and a lifetime of missing out on things that might make you a more complete person.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    ❤️❤️❤️❤️

  • Thank you for this article! I have been trying to express in words how problematic Caitlin Jenner is, but I couldn’t have put it better than the way you have here in this article. Very well written, gonna spread this like wild fire

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    ????????

  • PDXCITIZEN ,

    are you serious? what *is* the hardest part about being a woman?? how about not receiving equal pay to our male counterparts? or experiencing sexual assualt, both physically and verbally, that is often not taken seriously or dismissed, just to name a few. I’m usually not one to rant on like this but it is extremely frustrating.

    trans women are women, which means they are joining the continued struggle women face in many societies. being a woman is more complex than just identifying as such, and saying that the hardest part is what to wear minimizes the daily fight for happiness, safety, and survival that women all over the world face. this fight looks different for all women, but I can promise you that no woman wakes up and says “thankfully I’m a woman and the hardest part of my day will be figuring out my outfit.”

    also Bill Gates co-founded a huge, multinational technology company. Caitlyn Jenner won gold metals in the olympics, an amazing accomplishment, but not a fair comparison at all. and any recent wealth has most likely come from being on a reality tv show with her family, the kardashians, so it is fair for the author to include the topic of wealth here, especially since she is allowed that opinion.

    the kardashians are Caitlyn Jenner’s step children and ex wife, and Diane sawyer is an extremely well-known world news journalist… personally I don’t think it’s fair for you to analyze and criticize the authors view of Caitlyn, pointing out her use of “oppressor” and “selfish” (which can mean different things in different contexts) as name calling when it appears that you do not know that much about Caitlyn Jenner.

  • PDXCITIZEN ,

    are you serious? what *is* the hardest part about being a woman?? how about not receiving equal pay to our male counterparts? or experiencing sexual assualt, both physically and verbally, that is often not taken seriously or dismissed, just to name a few. I’m usually not one to rant on like this but it is extremely frustrating.

    trans women are women, which means they are joining the continued struggle women face in many societies. being a woman is more complex than just identifying as such, and saying that the hardest part is what to wear minimizes the daily fight for happiness, safety, and survival that women all over the world face. this fight looks different for all women, but I can promise you that no woman wakes up and says “thankfully I’m a woman and the hardest part of my day will be figuring out my outfit.”

    also Bill Gates co-founded a huge, multinational technology company. Caitlyn Jenner won gold metals in the olympics, an amazing accomplishment, but not a fair comparison at all. and any recent wealth has most likely come from being on a reality tv show with her family, the kardashians, so it is fair for the author to include the topic of wealth here, especially since she is allowed that opinion.

    the kardashians are Caitlyn Jenner’s step children and ex wife, and Diane sawyer is an extremely well-known world news journalist… personally I don’t think it’s fair for you to analyze and criticize the authors view of Caitlyn, pointing out her use of “oppressor” and “selfish” (which can mean different things in different contexts) as name calling when it appears that you do not know that much about Caitlyn Jenner.

    if you aren’t sure what or who some of the things are that were mentioned in an article, Google them. your words are more powerful when you understand what they are commenting on.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    Another idiot to join the set. I wish I would defend my writing to you. You don’t get it, that’s your issue.

  • Bless ,

    Thank you! The conversations which are spurred by Caitlyn Jenner, if any (of any substance), are about white trans women, probably of an upper class. Much the same way that white gay men try to silence everyone else in the LGBTQI+ community, under the guise of bringing everyone else up to speed when the time comes. News flash! That time doesnt come bc were not oppressed solely based on sexuality, gender, class, race, etc. If only things were that simple

  • ? ,

    Actually no, f*ck you, i wont respect yor viewpoint bc its f*cking garbage, its dehumanizing, you repeatedly refer to transgender women & people as “transgenders” which given the rest of the content in your comment i think speaks pretty clearly to the way you perceive trans people.

    NO ONE PERSON GETS TO DEFINE WHAT A MAN IS OR WHAT A WOMAN IS – AS FOR BIOLOGICALLY SPEAKING YOU ACTUALLY JUST AOUND DUMB BC THAT IS SEX. SEX== GENDER. GROW UP.

  • Reblogged this on Okay, Shalom. and commented:
    Why transphobia is not okay at all, but detesting the elitist, superficiality of Caitlyn Jenner is. Call her out, but call her Caitlyn. Brilliant article by thekinkfolkcollective.

  • Lol so you call Beyonce…”Knowles”? How time-consuming

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    ???? Welcome to the bandwagon.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    Exactly, Ophelia! EXACTLY!

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    ❤️❤️❤️

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    No, the conversation revolves solely around Caitlyn. No one is being educated because of her. There are so many trans people who are doing the actual work needed to reshape gender concepts. There are no real conversations being promoted by or started because of Caitlyn Jenner.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    Welp! It can’t be explained any clearer.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    I stopped reading at “reverse racism.” If you’re going to have an argument, it needs to be realistic and reverse racism is not a thing.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    And there you have it!!!

  • tarynimwalle ,

    You struggle with absolutely nothing gender related? Seriously? It must be nice that you have never been treated as just a sex object and have had to fight to be considered whole and complete by society just because you have a vagina and a pair of tits. It must be nice that you have never feared walking to your car at night or had to pick up your pace as you’re walking alone and a man is only a few paces behind you. It must be nice that you have never been sexually assaulted at a bar. It must be nice that you aren’t underpaid based on gender inequality in the workplace. It must be nice that you have never been cat called or feared rape if you dared to deny a man sex. It must be nice that you have never been called a slut or a whore because you enjoy sex. Wow. That is incredible, seeing as every cisgendered woman I know has experienced at least one of these things mentioned due to her gender.

    The reason the author and people like me have a problem with Caitlin Jenner saying the hardest part about being a woman is figuring out what to wear, is the fact that it undermines the female experience. It completely denies that women have bigger, more complex problems. It compeltely smacks of male privilege and it’s insulting. As a feminist, I have a huge problem with her. To deny power structures is to perpetuate the problem of gender inequality that still exists in societies everywhere around the world, including here in the US.

    I’m glad you haven’t experienced sexism. I really am. That’s what we’re fighting for. But to deny that it exists when you once presented as male doesn’t sit right with me. I’m not saying being transgender is easy. It has its own set of complications and hurdles completely separate from that of being a woman. But those inequalities don’t and shouldn’t eclipse the experience of a woman. I have been female all my life. I’ve struggled to be recognized as human because of it. Please realize it isn’t easy for most of us. Being a woman is hard fucking work. If Caitlin Jenner is going to represent the transgender community and women in the media, she better be aware of what role she’s stepping into.

  • tarynimwalle ,

    You struggle with absolutely nothing gender related? Seriously? It must be nice that you have never been treated as just a sex object and have had to fight to be considered whole and complete by society just because you have a vagina and a pair of tits. It must be nice that you have never feared walking to your car at night or had to pick up your pace as you’re walking alone and a man is only a few paces behind you. It must be nice that you have never been sexually assaulted at a bar. It must be nice that you aren’t underpaid based on gender inequality in the workplace. It must be nice that you have never been cat called or feared rape if you dared to deny a man sex. It must be nice that you have never been called a slut or a whore because you enjoy sex. Wow. That is incredible, seeing as every cisgendered woman I know has experienced at least one of these things mentioned due to her gender.

    The reason the author and people like me have a problem with Caitlin Jenner saying the hardest part about being a woman is figuring out what to wear, is the fact that it undermines the female experience. It completely denies that women have bigger, more complex problems. It smacks of male privilege and it’s insulting. As a feminist, I have a huge problem with her. To deny power structures is to perpetuate the problem of gender inequality that still exists in societies everywhere around the world, including here in the US.

    I’m glad you haven’t experienced sexism. I really am. That’s what we’re fighting for. But to deny that it exists when you once presented as male doesn’t sit right with me. I’m not saying being transgender is easy. It has its own set of complications and hurdles completely separate from that of being a woman. But those inequalities don’t and shouldn’t eclipse the experience of a woman. I have been female all my life. I’ve struggled to be recognized as human because of it. Please realize it isn’t easy for most of us. Being a woman is hard fucking work. If Caitlin Jenner is going to represent the transgender community and women in the media, she better be aware of what role she’s stepping into.

  • Lia ,

    Glad that you’ve acknowledged that.

  • you’re not much less wrong, LaSha. 3/4 of your rant was just a form of reverse racism. poor black trans girl jealous of the rich white trans woman. FYI – there are plenty of poor white transgender people. not just brown and black ones. I’m one of them

    I’m an intersexed DES baby born in 1954. unlike big heifers like Caitlin and Laverne, I had to hide my feminine features and suppress innate female behaviors just to be able to pass as a straight male at a time and in a place, Chicago’s lakeview township aka new town, where it was very dangerous to be what I am. I’m only very recent out and living full time in female mode and only on HRT for 6 months.

    your general thesis is right on and where I’ve been coming from since she came busting out the Wheaties box onto the cover of vanity fair all super tranny like she’s going to lift us all out from under the yoke of oppression we live under with her motivational talks. pure crap. her career was sagging, so she finally took the plunge, rounded up Candace cayne and a few other hungry transgender women and appointed herself spokesperson for the transgender world. slam her for her politics if you want, but leave her transness alone.

    that’s where the bullshit is. we’re all individually crafted and we all make our own choices about how we’re going to cope with our gender issues. no one person is qualified to speak the way she does for all of us.

    without getting so mean, I’m going to guess that you’re cis gender, Melinda. your general thesis is correct, there was a lot of unnecessary hate in this blog, but you’re all wrong on the details. it’s nowhere near that cut and dried as you were trying to express. the bottom line is that Caitlyn is a privileged white person and extremely vulgar and bigoted nouveau riche conservative attention whore exploiting the transgender experience for her own personal enrichment.

    she talks a long yard of shit , but she isn’t building any much needed infrastructure for us. that’s why so many get murdered. they’re forced into drug dealing and prostitution. so far this year there have been 22 transgender people murdered and not one is getting prosecuted as a hate crime because most were committed by people known to the victim and drugs and prostitution were elements of the crime. no way to get a conviction for a hate crime with those kinds of conditions present. .

    so fuck Caitlin jenner if she is just going to get paid for talking about us and not pay any of it forward to build more translife centers like the one in Chicago she was paid to speak at and got sassed by a sister who was a survivor of sexual abuses and desperation prostitution.

  • Alex ,

    Commenters: The author of this article does not owe you a hand-holding walkthrough of an article she’s already written and explained clearly, and concisely. If you condescend to someone, they’re probably not going respond ‘nicely’ and validate your commentary. She doesn’t owe you a nice comment or a “thank you!” when you talk to her like she’s a teenager whose essay you’re grading.

    And if you think the author is oppressing Caitlyn or any other white person in this article, you need to learn what ‘racism’ means, because I don’t think you get it. Your life is made easier by being white. Learn to accept that, then understand how to be respectful to those who have to face the downside of that reality instead of trying to dismiss it. That’s REALLY rude.

    There is a noticeable incapability to understand very clear arguments here, and it comes down to WILLFUL ignorance. If you wanted to understand this article, you would.

  • Alex ,

    Commenters: The author of this article does not owe you a hand-holding walkthrough of an article she’s already written and explained clearly, and concisely. If you condescend to someone, they’re probably not going respond ‘nicely’ and validate your commentary. She doesn’t owe you a nice comment or a “thank you!” when you talk to her like she’s a teenager whose essay you’re grading.

    And if you think the author is oppressing Caitlyn or any other white person in this article, you need to learn what ‘racism’ means, because I don’t think you get it. Your life is made easier by being white. Learn to accept that, then understand how to be respectful to those who have to face the downside of that reality instead of trying to dismiss it. That’s REALLY rude.

    There is a noticeable incapability to understand very clear arguments here, and it comes down to WILLFUL ignorance. If you wanted to understand this article, you would.

  • Ophelia ,

    The reason many people (myself included) dislike Caitlyn Jenner isn’t because we disagree with her life choices, necessarily. She’s human, yes, and I’m not judging her on most of what she does. My issue with her is that in coming out as trans she has said and done a lot of things that actively hurt other trans people, by repressing their stories and negating their struggles. She doesn’t have to be a perfect trans advocate, but when people are DYING all the time, and she brushes off their struggles like it’s nothing, I think we’re allowed to be upset with her.

  • I’m gonna call her Jenner because I call all famous people by their last names only.

  • Reblogged this on Flying On Empty Thoughts and commented:
    Sharing this because I am a fan of this post. I admire when people call bullshit when they see it. I admire LaSha for writing this.

    Do read this one!

  • I am your fan. I am not an American, but her coverage is massive on social media, the intent is good but the approach is ridiculous. The paparazzi hype is misplaced and annoying. The Kardashian clan shouldn’t be allowed to take up such real issues. I hate the ‘famous for being famous ideology’ that they represent, they are not credible or real enough to support or represent these issues. Sure it did bring a spotlight for transgenders around the world, but was she a right spokesperson for that?
    I agree with you, will be reblogging this. Thanks for having guts to share what most of us are only thinking.

  • Malu Arreguin ,

    This post was pretty vicious if you ask me. I understand your disdain for Caitlyn and I understand the point you are driving home in this piece. However, I think that despite the appearance and publicity that surrounds this topic, being upset about it because other trans women are still discriminated against is counterproductive. Caitlyn Jenner becoming Caitlyn Jenner has begun an entire conversation about trans people and has made others aware of something they were either previously unaware of or did not find acceptable. Caitlyn Jenner has created the building blocks for these conversations and is forcing people to confront their own prejudices. We have a long way to go, yes, but I think we are headed in the right direction.

  • Erin kohn ,

    I detest when writers just try to express their opinions rather than making thoughtful arguments. I detest when writers are redundant with their language. I detest when writers tell me what I should do or feel rather based off their own ideas, rather than making a thoughtful point to persuade me. I detest when people can use a sentence like “I detest that she’s a proud Republican” as if a viewpoint other than ones own is entirely invalid. I detest writers that try to hold one person accountable for problems that are way above them, or by large nothing to do with them. I detest writers that have no substance to their views or tolerance or others’ views that they respond to their commentators with a line such as ‘Ma’am, you’re an idiot.”

    Now that I’m done venting like this author has taught me is acceptable, let’s talk about gender and sex. Unlike the author I have nothing against Cait and I will respect her by calling Cait a “her” how she wishes, since frankly I don’t care to argue about a word like she or her with a transgender. I will respect a transgenders expression of individuality, but it doesn’t mean that I have to agree with it. After all, I to am entitled to my own understandings, opinions, and expressions even of the subject of what a man and woman is. Some might respond that gender doesn’t exist, but regardless of those claims, I feel inverting ones genitals doesn’t make them capable of bearing children. Last I checked, biologically speaking a women is a human that is capable of giving birth. Now I don’t wish to argue or convince you of this exact point of the subject, rather please just respect my view; though by all means you are free to disagree.

    Lastly, I do agree with a number of claims the author did make, but Cait is not accountable for the tragedies that befalls so many transgenders just because she is rich, white or privileged. Though Cait is a transgender, she is also a person with her own wants, needs and desires and is by no means the leader or elected official to mitigate transgenders issues, even if she is the most famous one and in the limelight. Cait also is entitled to her own expression of self, and if you want to call her a woman then you need to respect her line ‘the hardest part of being a woman is deciding what to wear” as a genuine valid opinion about womanhood… from a woman. You can’t have your cake and eat it. There are many troubled people out in the world that need help and I agree we should help and support them. But you my dear author, seemingly don’t make any suggestions to fix this huge problem, but rather on try to hold one person accountable for all your anguish on the subject.

    Wishing everyone the best.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    Except this not only about my disgust for Caitlyn Jenner. There are multiple elements to this piece. And race is ever present for me. The fact that people are uncomfortable with that is not something I care about or something that will make me stop talking about it. Also, I never said I hate her because she’s been unfairly elevated. I hate the media for exalting her.

  • …except here the lack of acceptance of trangender people of color is a societal problem. It is understandable, but illogical, to hate a person because they are not being equally stigmitized beneath the societal structure we share. A white individual’s journey through sexual discovery is not less important, though it might be easier. His/ her struggles are not invalidated because of being white. Just like a person with a darker skin tone does not (should not!) have less of a right to safely express their sexuality as they wish. Perhaps what Steph means is that your points about race and trangenderism are entirely valid – but entirely irrelevant in an article about Caitlin Jenners faults. I imagine you want people to recognize the truth and value of what is written in your article. It is more likely to be taken seriously if it is thoughtful, logical, and not invalidated by personal grudges and rantings.

  • Winter Naomi Vera ,

    I am a Republican and a trans woman, albeit more libertarian, but still. I am absolutely more of a Republican than most of the Republican politicians in any office. Republics do not fight tooth and nail to abridge the rights of those who are different from the majority. Democracies do that. Nobody who believes in a Republic would do what those who wrongfully call themselves Republicans do. I hope one day to take the party back to its roots, because as of now, the Republican party is simply full of Zealous militant religious Democrats calling themselves Republicans. There are very few actual Republicans in office now, and it’s been that way for at least a couple of decades.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    You can go fuck yourself! Thanks.

  • TheWiredTechnician ,

    I’m sorry, but are you serious? You put your work onto a public forum and didn’t expect to get any critique or constructive/destructive criticism? Dillan’s points were incredibly valid and weren’t stated in a rude or condescending way and yet you attack like a kookaburra on steroids! How did you even manage to make it through school with this kind of attitude…

  • Laura ,

    That’s really sad, why didn’t you try to help her? Or stick up for her?

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    You can’t tell me my point. You can disagree, but you can’t tell me my point. Anyway, whatever the reason, she had a lifetime to finally transition. So she should allow others the same.

  • Seems to this 60+ year old that she understood the point quite well. As for taking 6 decades to transition, you don’t know how many times she may have begun and been forced back. I know that I had several such setbacks in my life.

  • Reblogged this on A Woman Named Alexia and commented:
    In lieu of my weekly HRT update, I encourage all my readers to read through this. It encapsulates my thoughts on Caitlyn Jenner almost perfectly.

  • Ria ,

    Well said LaSha – AMEN.

    Caitlyn is all about Caitlyn – she does not care about other transgender people of any colour. She is vain, fickle and will only greatly retard any progress for community acceptance of the transgender community .
    Caitlyn may look like a woman but is still intrinsically male in mentality, as indicated in her disdainful, sexist comment regarding women’s only issues are about what to wear. This is degrading to women and is something that a man would say . You want to be a woman but you insult women – what is that? CAITLYN – Are you going to tell us that women belong in the kitchen and that their major role in life is to serve their men and keep them happy. Is this what comes next.?
    You can take the Caitlyn out of the Bruce but you can’t take the Bruce out of the Caitlyn. No amount of money can fix that.
    Caitlyn is the one that is jealous – she has been living in a household of Kardashian women too long and could not compete. Did Kris Kardashian emasculate you Bruce? Is this why you became transgender? I believe this transgender transformation is a bid for attention. And what was the recent media story that you changed your mind and what to be ‘Bruce’ – can’t take the heat? Its your turn now, Caitlyn , to be the ‘little woman’ – lets see how that feels.
    CAITLYN may be accepted by the general public but I don’t believe she is accepted or respected by the transgender community in general – Watch your back Caitlyn. You have made your bed, now lie in it.

  • Ria ,

    Well said – AMEN

  • Andy ,

    Thank you so much for your post here. I appreciate your very clear distinction between the ways in which Caitlyn Jenner uses her power and privilege for personal gains and the need to both call her out on this while respecting her identity as a woman. I also very much dislike her as a “spokesperson,” if you will, for trans* communities, and would like to see the voices of trans women of color being uplifted in ways that can actually address the disparities that TWOC and houseless trans folks face. However, I can’t say that I’m surprised at Jenner’s popularity and the ways in which her persona is being utilized for very specific nationalistic notions of inclusivity that have never truly been real for those of us continually being pushed to the margins.

  • tim ,

    I have no problem with Bruce’s transition; it’s the Finished Product that’s revolting. Cait’s a sham.

  • Pheeeweee,Wow thats certainly a gob full to say the least ,Im transgender ,Struggling like hell finding work ,and to pay the bills .Im 66. but what the hell i just get on with life best i can

  • Ashley ,

    I’m conservative and support human rights, that includs Trans and gays. Have may gay friends, gay brother and cousin, as well as carrying a baby for a couple! Republicans have MANY views and so do democrats. Just because you identify with one political party does not defy who you are as a whole or mean that you agree with everything they say. It’s not a cookie cutter….pull your heads out your butts. And what about the white transgenders? They don’t face opposition or is it bc they’re white they don’t have issue either?

  • We has a transgendered friend who stood up as a groomsmen, but 15 years time began a journey into womanhood. I was the 80s, we were accepting to a point but the invitations stopped when her presence at our parties became the jokes for following dinner parties. She fell off our map, reappeared at few times at local coffee shops where she performed as a guitarist, her truest talent and how we all became connected. Through music. Each time we saw her it was sadder. She struggled to work. Found low paying jobs, night shifts at Kinkos or bagging groceries. We distanced ourselves further when it was clear she also suffered mental illness with an idiolgy she was a Witch. She told me of her life on the street. She lost her front teeth. She wore recycled women clothing and a dirty bra. The gang called her Cinder fella. Then she robbed a bank. With a gun. This simple, gentle soul went to federal prison. Everyone laughed. I remember our long soulful talks. She was spiritual. I remember she was a promising guitarist. I remember she was kind. It’s been ten years since I’ve heard anything.

  • Lisa ,

    alex, some people ARE transvestites and not transsexual. I don’t think you speak for all transfolk, nor can you make assumptions about percentages just because you are a member of the community. Just saying.

  • Annie ,

    Normally I wouldn’t comment, but I the author had a point in using those terms, even as derogatory as they were to read for you. As an individual not in the community, It helps place them in such a context that even if I had never heard them before, I would know not to use them and that they are completely inappropriate. While it would never occur to me to use such words in the first place, I know without a doubt now that they are never acceptable. I think it’s important to have that out in the open and that’s not possible without putting such things in a context. As far as I know ( and I could be very wrong) I only know of one trans (is that the correct verbiage?) individual and I would never want to offend her.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    ?? All in a day’s work! ???❤️❤️

  • Rick ,

    oh, come on William…you gotta know.

  • Cee ,

    All of this, yes! I cannot stand Caitlyn, but find myself being forced to cape for her because of homophobic/transphonic assholes! And it was an absolute pleasure watching you dismiss all of the idiot commenters that couldn’t be bothered to read or care about trans people of color.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    The teenager part makes a lot sense. A whole lot.

  • Amen to that.

  • ejc078 ,

    You know, for a time I also thought she was a ruiner. And, she is also in a pretty self-centered stage of her transition. When I first came out, it was all about me! I could not think much past myself. I think we are seeing Cait being a teenager right now. I can have some patience for that. And, no matter how much she is using a voice that really doesn’t sound like how we think, she is, in fact using her voice, and trying. We are all just bozos on the bus trying the best we know how. I will send prayers that Cait will continue to find a voice that speaks for justice for all. Because, we need her to have that voice.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    Hey, don’t you go coming in with facts and logic confusing folks!

  • Cee ,

    Republicans, in general, don’t support gay or transgender rights. Let’s put on our thinking hats, shall we?

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    Girl, please! I give what I get. I’m not explaining anymore than I have. Fuck off!

  • Jocelyn ,

    I was going to comment and thank you for sharing your opinion because I think it’s important and I think many people feel the way you do, however your thoughtless responses to others comments have caused me to reconsider. You have every right to feel as you do, as do others who disagree. To say they are missing the point shows you value only your own opinion which makes you equally as closed minded as those you profess to hate. Perhaps it is you we should be calling Cait as you seem to be equally as oblivious as she is.

  • Jacquelyn. ,

    I can respect this stance because at least she as a human is being treated as a human, and I can respect respectfully criticising her because some of these points are very valid. There are other arguments in this post I don’t agree with, but respectfully so. If more people would point out their opinions in a more respectful manner this world would be a much easier place to live in.

  • -dp- ,

    Reblogged this on 3rd Shelf…Everything at Eye Level and commented:
    Right. Yes.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    You are clearly ignorant to power dynamics.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    Race is a reality. If that makes you uncomfortable, you definitely are in the wrong space. Elements of race will be in anything I write.

  • William ,

    I hate her cause shes republican? Excuse me, the opressor in this article seems to be more the person who wrote it than the person its about

  • steph ,

    All I have to say is that Caitlyn got away with murder by coming out as trans. That is not a joke either.
    Some of the posts here I find a bit racist though. All the emphasis on “white” or “black and brown people” it seems ironic to have a post about tolerance with some facts to have dashes of racial divide in it.

  • ViviWannabe ,

    I went through the same struggles. Of course, it didn’t help that he was introduced to me by his husband as “my wife” and he didn’t correct my pronoun usage until after I found out he was trans. His patience with me was phenomenal, though.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    You are right. Age is definitely a factor. And perhaps she had learned to mute herself for so long. Thanks for the feedback.

  • While I do not hate the Cait, I am very disturbed that the rest of the media influenced populace see her as some kind of uber leader. I have blogged about this and feel that even doing that might give her too much “press.” She sees herself as a culture guru, at least from the Sawyer interview onwards. Calling her on these things can only help, and I think it can be done in ways that do not give fuel to the people who hate us. They have enough manufactured fears already.

    One other thing that worries me: we talk about race, ethnicity, and even social class in discussing her bias. However, she also represents people beyond an age barrier, and age, as well as social class, are two things that often do not come in for analysis (well, not nearly enough). Last night I saw quite a bit on Facebook, and the authors here might be glad to know that you have also appeared there as others link to this post!. My addition was this: I have read that a large minority of people within what we term transgender are people over fifty years old.

    Some transitioned years ago, and there are reasons why some are not vocal: they lived in a time where oppression was worse, if that can be imagined. A police raid on a bar or party where you had one piece of women’s clothes under your “normal” wear, could mean jail, loss of job after your presence there was released to press and family, and loss of family. Of course, there was very little surgery available, and only those extreme cases where a person was willing allow herself to be medically stigmatized, got treatment. Treatment of course, up through the Fifties, could mean trans-orbital lobotomy with an Icepick.

    On the other hand, I have personally met a few who are transitioning well beyond sixty-five: eighty years old in one case! They have already lost everything due to coming out, and what money remains goes to transition. That’s their retirement.

    Sorry to go on this long, your words have stirred a lot in me and will do this for others no doubt! Thank you.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    This is exactly why I wrote this.

  • I remember I wrote “Bruce” the other day, but I will not do it again. Simple and convincing arguments.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    Sheesh! Don’t make me blush. ???

  • Reblogged this on jartajess.

  • sandy ,

    Absolutely brilliant article! You hit the nail on the head. And you’re the first one I’ve read with the guts to do it. Please, never stop writing.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    I aim to please.

  • Gin ,

    Thanks for making my point for me for not even being able to start a smart conversation about and therefore invalidating any of the (fait) points you may have made.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    Uhhh…I’m sorry, who are you to critique my writing and give tips? You don’t like my style, that’s your problem.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    I think transphobia is a problem period. I think it’s a huge problem for black transwomen. I don’t know the numbers on which women were murdered by black men, but I’d bet it’s the majority, but then again, most crime is intraracial.

  • Dillan ,

    Lasha tho a decently written article you stray from the point a few times and have not given any good responses to people who are just thoughtfully asking questions or critiquing you’re work. When I read the article I found this segment “So I will call her an elitist, but I will not call her Bruce. I will call her narcissistic, but I will not call her a tranny. I will call her selfish, but I won’t call her a man. I will call her self-absorbed, but I won’t call her “shim.” I will call her callous, but I won’t call her “him.” I will call her phony, but I won’t make reference to her genitals. I will call her an oppressor, but I won’t call her a freak. I will call her delusional, but I won’t call her a dude. I criticize how she uses her voice, but I won’t criticize the tone and texture of her voice. I will call her a poor role model, but I won’t call her sick.” along with maybe a few sentences here and there were the only helpful fully on topic parts or this writing. The main majority of the rest of it is just ranting, rambling, and fluff of how much you hate her. It would be a more powerful piece of work if you had spent less time on how much you hate her and more time on why it is wrong to disrespect her by commenting rudely about her transition into woman hood. It had good intentions but the writing could of had a better delivery on how to portray the intensions. All you did here tho some did get the intension of it is make people want to debate wether or not your reasonings for not liking here are valid. So I’d say better reactions to peoples disagreements and critiques. Also less on why you dislike her and more on why people should respectfully address her womanhood so it dose not take away from the original message.

  • carol mancini ,

    40 yr old white gay tranny here. Not famous and certainly not rich. You seem quite fixated on black trans women as victims, as you mention them a number of times in the article. I too have been a victim, having been accosted and threatened on three different occasions by groups of black males. Friends of mine have had similar experiences. Not to mention in addition to a number of occasions I’ve been outed, jeered, mocked etc in restaurants and shopping malls by blacks. I can’t recall too many instances where I was ever bothered by hispanics or whites. Now perhaps my experiences are not typical, but I would say transphobia seems alive and well in the black community. I would be curious to know of the black trans murder and assault victims you discuss, how many of the perpetrators were black? I don’t know the answer, but maybe you can enlighten us on that and on the issue of black transphobia.

    Thank you Carol

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    SMH Please educate yourself on intersections. I don’t know why people think that everyone believes all white people are rich. And in fact, in a few spots in this piece, I talked about POOR transwomen and transwomen in general, highlighting black transwomen in spots where they are disproportionately affected.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    Yeah, it’s about how it’s ok to hate someone successful. You nailed it. ? And you’re absolutely correct, I have no consideration for your opinion.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    How can you tell me that my use of “detest” is inappropriate? You can’t invalidate how I fell. Disagree, but don’t tell me how to feel. Even more, every time someone mentions intersection of race, specifically how the deck is stacked even greater against black people no matter their marginalized group, people come in with that “it’s not just black people” bullshit. I need you to reread and see where I highlighted the struggle of black trans women who are killed at ALARMING and disproportionate rates, but still acknowledged that the struggle is universal.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    Was that an attempt to tell me about myself? Awwwwww! ????

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    Come again.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    ❤️

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    What was shallow?

  • cass.k ,

    Reblogged this on scroll down the hat. ->_<-.

  • kat ,

    Reblogged this on Keana's 'Korner'.

  • Nathan ,

    Descent well written piece, although I find it racist. I get that Cait is white and rich, but referring to the poor as black or brown. I mean really……… I hate when people think, or elude that whites are some superior class. I have plenty of white Trans friends that are poor and struggle. I guess I should also mention that I know several affluent black and brown ones. What is this the 60’s?? Black, brown, white ain’t nothing but skin, it speaks nothing to the person underneath.

  • Gin ,

    So this is an article about how it is okay to hate someone successful, someone who after decades hiding who she truly was finally came out (knowing that at that age, and under such media scrutiny, it could not have been easy, no matter how wealthy and ‘privileged’ he is) , someone who actually worked hard to be where she was (because in case you forgot, she’s actually an athlete, not just some random reality TV wannabe), and most important of all, someone you do not actually know, someone you’ve heard about on TV, someone whose struggles you cannot understand because you are not her, you are not her friend (definitely not…), you’ve never met…

    And you hide it under a post about transphobia, like somehow it makes you a better person for calling her out for not being a role model and for not understanding other people’s struggles. It does not. It makes you unsympathetic over something you cannot even begin to comprehend because you are not Caitlyn Jenner.

    If you think Caitlyn Jenner is such a bad role model, or that she doesn’t truly understand what others are living (which wait isn’t it exactly what you’re doing right now to her???) then ok, we all have our opinions. But don’t ‘detest’ her for living her life and then say, oh but it’s ok, I don’t hate her because she’s trans I’m hating her because she’s her. Because somehow that makes you the better person. Because you do not realize that some people will take this one little bit of hate (oh yes, I’m sorry but this is just a well disguised hate post) and reblog it because it’s not transphobic it’s only Caitlyn phobic and that makes it ok, it will get you views, it will make people talk, it will make people react. What it will do is perpetrating this awful habit we have nowadays to hate on people we do not know, people who are living under the spotlight and whose every move is scrutinized, but people who are people, who make mistakes, because it’s human. Because she’s human and doesn’t deserve our judgement on how to live her life. God knows I’m not looking up to Caitlyn Jenner. That doesn’t mean I’ll spend an entire blogspot destroying everything she’s worked so hard for to work on.

    And the way you brush off any other comments that criticizes this post just shows how little consideration you have for other people’s opinion. That does not make you a better person that what you claim Caitlyn Jenner is.

    And if you believe we are missing the point, maybe it’s on you. Maybe you should have been a little clearer and little less hateful.

  • Shay ,

    Full disclosure: I am extremely well versed on this topic. I have a degree in medicine, have done years of extensive research on the medical studies on gender dysphoria, and yes, was treated for this congenital condition. “Detest” is a very strong word and its use inappropriate though I certainly agree that there have been many things that could be labeled as missteps committed by Caitlyn Jenner. Ms. Jenner’s primary mistake was not taking time after receiving treatment – probably about two years of “discovery” – to truly understand everything about the true impact of her medical diagnosis. In short, (metaphorically) she ran long before she learned to crawl. [She even made a few fleeting remarks during her mini-series about this and was called out for this behavior by some of her new friends.] Regardless of how laudable her motives, Caitlyn does not yet understand this congenital condition and the ramifications, personally or as a member of an often hostile society..

    The second half of the article is, for the most part, accurate but it is not just black women who are adversely affected. Anyone who truly wants a glimpse of the tip of the proverbial iceberg can find “Injustice at Every Turn” on the internet and read the unabridged report. Even then, until one has walked in those shoes, ….. The process of treatment including figuring out who you are, what you hold as attitudes free of what others told you you had to believe, rediscovering long suppressed emotions … and everything else other women had decades to learn, all within a few years … well, let’s just say “incredibly intense” doesn’t quite cover it!

    We are all different and there are degrees of dysphoria. Of the many things I have learned, there is one which stands out more than all the rest. I learned it thanks to all those – family, co-workers, waitresses, other medical professionals, et. al. – who were, as some of you of Caitlyn, so quick to judge. The malice of others made me very strong and how dare I be so quick to judge others. To me the “insult to our community” are those who think they can sit and pass judgement on another with this condition just because of their own difficulties. I too lost virtually all family, prior friends, my job, and am mortgaged to the hilt. My trials do not diminish those who find themselves in more fortunate circumstances.

    However, I can sense what Ms. Jenner is going through. I don’t “detest” her because of her missteps. It simply makes me sad. As for the bubble of living in “Hollywood”, let’s face it – it’s a big club and a separate issue. She simply allowed her enthusiasm and desire to make a difference overwhelm her common sense amid the excitement of finding herself..

  • shimon ,

    Some of what you said was very good some of it was shallow as I’ve seen from the transphobes.

    But what was good was spot on and this was a start of what’s needed here

  • Harley Holiday ,

    Someone is pissed that Caitlyn Jenner is rich and white and not saying the exact words this someone wants to hear. I’m no Caitlyn fan, but this article has a few good points swimming in a mess of petty BS. I’ve heard more genuine discussion about trans issues since this lady’s announcement than I did in all the years of my life before then. Speaking of- Caitlyn is in her late 60s, and older folks often have different ideas and perspectives than younger folks.

    By the way, claiming that anyone who disagrees with anything you wrote is delusional and missing the point is not impressive. At all. It might even rightly be called pathetic.

  • Anne ,

    Spoken like a true cishet smdh

  • I really don’t care for Caitlyn Jenner. I personally want to THANK you for writing this piece. I am a black transwoman of color who is still struggling with a lot. There are many others out there STILL struggling, especially transwomen of color.

    Whenever I mention race, especially with other transwomen who aren’t of color, and trans-attracted guys (mostly “men” of color), they get offended because I speak from my experiences. Don’t even get me started on “men”.

    Anyway. This needed to be said, and I’m glad that you said it. Thanks again.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    You’re so fucking ridiculously wrong. I’ll let you live with your delusions and inability to comprehend what you read.

  • Sarah ,

    It was a pretty accurate breakdown Of Caitlyn, I am 51 and am married, I have just undergone full surgery, for me I hid my gender issues since 11 years of age, it has since telling my wife and son cost me my 20 year marriage, now my wife has left me and my 16 yr old son as well, I am in debt for my surgery to the tune of £18000 which I loaned from the bank, I am struggling to afford to live day by day, but still here, I was on NHS but the 4 year wait became to much so opted to put myself into debt to the hilt to go on with life as the new me, Caitlyn would not know how some of us have struggled to get to where we are, sadly many don’t make it, and give up on life, Caitlyn is more of an insult to our community that is fighting to be recognised as people with feelings, that has to give up so much, we can’t all just buy our way through daily life and issue’s and to have the clothes and look of a surgical makeover.

  • Bravo. If nothing else, you’re causing a stir with this piece, and getting people talking.

  • Melinda ,

    I’m tired of so many people hating on one another. It’s hate , no matter how you try and be eloquent in your writting, all u are doing is promoting hate.  Just because someone has paved the way for themselves(need I remind you, millions had/have the opportunities to work hard and be olympic athletes, or whatever it is they want to be, but don’t do it) and worked their butt off to have some advantages, you dont get to take that away , or diminish it bc others don’t have that wealth and are going through the same transgender issues. I didn’t know money made you less susceptible to hurt feelngs. You dont get to say that the raw emotions Caitlyn Jenner, are going through don’t exist, or that her feeling aren’t felt  because her experience is just a little different.  There are plenty of people who go through this experience with money, and are having a fine time transitioning. Then there are those without money that are having a difficult time or vice versa, dont have money, but have love and support and those with money met with hate and dissapproval, at the end of the day, we have no right to judge others or belittle them.   Especially doing so bc u think if u were in her shoes, u would do it differently. You are just as bad as every other bully, bigoted, racist out there. INSTEAD of focusing on what are the real issues, you are promoting hate. Then you wonder why there is so much animosity which only aids in creating these gaps between groups and classifications that we must fit in.

    This is not black or white, rich or poor, Republican or democratic, it’s simple about being who you are, without fear.

    So when Caitlyn says, come out and live your truth, it’s  bc she’s lived with it for decades, and that pain of not being true to herself. she doesn’t want others to feel and waste their life not being themselves or being unhappy.

    You detest that her transition, and coming into womanhood has been anything but typical, but aren’t we wanting this to the norm, this is how the experience of being you should be, this is the standard of of love and acceptance all trans should feel, so why are you holding so much resentment and hate.
     
    You detest that she has been given magazine covers, but she uses that to expose, the issues the trans community faces, she also shows the genuine happiness of being who u are meant to be and the actual love an appreciation for every milestone of coming into her womanhood that she should be feeling, just as her experience of figuring out what to wear. I am a women as well and that is one of my many problems, that I face on a daily basis. So let her enjoy that moment instead of criticizing her for saying it is one of her problems, it’s not the only one
    , but it’s one that she is facing.

    So instead of trying to find every reason to hate her, thank her for opening up massive media coverage for an issue many people didnt know was an issue, or many didn’t have the courage to face it. And maybe just maybe we will have a new era, where the transgender community, old and young can have the same experience, if not better then Caits. 

    You say “She will most likely never have to walk down the street and have a brick thrown at her because some transphobic savage can’t respect her right to live in her truth. She will most likely never have to look straight ahead avoiding eye contact and ignoring the people yelling slurs and threats at her. ”  your comments may not be the actual physical brick being thrown but, it might as well be, the meaning of that brick is all in the same.

    You are the brick thrower.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    What the hell do you mean “jealous”? ????

  • Caitlyn is standing upon her own platform as a transsexual grandma. When we were born in the 1940s we had no trans role models. We were isolated and alone. We are the trans ladies who survived to become senior citizens and shed our butch identities and be ourselves. We paid a price for waiting so long. We lost our childhood, our teenage years, and most of our adult years trying to live a lifestyle that was not us. In coming out to our children and spouses and partners and grand children it was one of the hardest emotional things that anyone can have to do. The older you are when you transition to the person you want to be the more people you have to reject you and you can lose a good portion of your income and be forced to change your lifestyle. Any women can be left without income and be forced to choose to earn a living in the sex trade at any age. Caitlyn is not safe from this. either. A Wall Street crash can destroy her investments and her motivational speaking business can fail from lack of customers. Hopefully she as some money in a safe place. But if this happens she too will have to change her lifestyle and she may even end up shopping at Goodwill. Who knows what the future brings to any of us.

    People who have money are many times no happier than anybody else. And people who are addicted to attention can fall into depression when the attention goes away. Do not be jealous of Caitlyn.

  • We transsexual ladies did not choose to be females, but we can choose to be all of the things that Caitlyn is. If we do not have this freedom what freedom do we have. We must remember Caitlyn worked hard as to become an Olympic Champion in a man’s sport in her butch identity which her parents called Bruce. I am just three years older than Caitlyn and I know the dark cloud of ignorance that we traversed through as females with male bodies being socialized by our parents and society as males. We did not choose to be butch is was forced upon us. All of the personality qualities that you criticize Caitlyn for she displayed while presenting Bruce to the world. We baby boomer trans ladies may choose to be feminine because we were denied this choice. Transitioning does not change our political views nor should it change the way we make a living unless society forbids us that source of income when we transition. I was a butch elementary teacher working in primarily a woman’s world teaching elementary school. I taught school as a regular classroom teacher and special ed teacher from 1974 to 2004. Then I was a substitute until 2008 when I turned 62 and life retired me from teaching. I was born out. After that, I have been my feminine self for the past 7 years with hormones and surgery because I just don’t have the money and I put my family and children first when it came to finances. My motto is butch no more. My point of view is not an insult to women because I have always been a woman. I have transitioned with many of the same fears and baggage that any baby boomer transsexual ladies have, and this includes Caitlyn.

    Our transitioning consists of accepting ourselves as woman, then we can choose our lifestyle rather it be butch or feminine or somewhere in between. Don’t be surprised if us baby boomer trans ladies born in the 1940s model ourselves after Marlyn Monroe or Liz Taylor or Lucille Ball or our mothers’ styles of the 1950s because this was when we developed our mental image of they type of woman we wanted to be. We could be a homemaker or Rosie the Riveter or a dancehall girl or a ballerina or a hairdresser or a beautician or whatever.

    So we should be grateful that Caitlyn is who she is because it expands the boundaries of or choices.

  • alex ,

    well for the sake of helping you out, i would estimate probably 90% of us would be upset about you calling us transvestites.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    You’re most welcome.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    I’m not addressing her points. It’s futile. If you’re confused, then you should ask your own questions.

  • Susan ,

    Some of us DO have to be told *specifically* what is offensive. For example, until a couple years ago, I did NOT know that “the T word” was considered offensive. I thought it was what transvestites called *each other* , because I actually ever heard it in a negative connotation, but more of a “folksy, jocular” way. I hope you can accept that sometimes the words must be used to educate people; I hope that goes at least some way to mitigating the ting of them.

  • Carmabella ,

    I wish you would address some of these comments questions or comments rather than just say “missed the point” or otherwise dismiss them, because although I agree with many parts of your article, I am still confused on some. Even though some people might think that I’m stupid or ignorant for not agreeing with a few of your points.

  • Ken ,

    I can’t stand the adulation for Caitlyn Jenner either. It’s like her loyal minions don’t even pause to consider that the only reason she’s earning all this praise is because she’s a celebrity to begin with. Who else would get interviews, magazine covers, and a bogus ESPN award just for coming out as trans? If that’s all it takes, we’ve got a whole lot of medals to give out.

    If you follow the bullshit logic far enough, you reach the conclusion that you can’t rip her because……she’s famous? Ugh.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    You know, I thought about that as I typed those words. The reason I used them is because I wanted to be absolute clear about the language I’ve heard. For me, I looked at it as the equivalent of a white author writing about slurs he’s heard against black people. I apologize for offending you.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    You missed the entire point. You’re free to do that.

  • alex ,

    aside from all the good points made in here i’d just like to note, as a trans girl myself, it’s actually really inappropriate and foul for anyone who isn’t a trans woman to use terms like tranny and shim even as examples of what not to say, and the same goes for using a trans woman’s old name (this is called “deadnaming”). you can just say “don’t use transphobic language and slurs” without actually saying them, and seeing those words in this article drastically reduced how enjoyable or respectable the article was for me. i did think the article was otherwise very respectful and well-written though, and it’s cool to see an article with focus on misogynoir and the drastic difference between cait’s experiences and those of the rest of us get the attention i’m seeing it get, being spread all over facebook and tumblr and probably several other social media sites i haven’t yet seen it on.

  • Yeah, so, in case you’ve had your head in the sand – news flash – feminists call those women out too! Are you under the impression that other privileged white women, like Lena Dunham & Tina Fey & Hillary Clinton, aren’t widely called out by feminists? This particular article just isn’t about them. Get a clue.

  • I am perhaps at a loss for some of these issues against Caitlyn.

    — Who are the Kardashians and what have they done that’s so terrible?
    — Upon becoming a woman, everything in my life got so much better. I struggle with absolutely nothing gender related. So what *is* the hardest part? And why is “choosing what to wear” the absolute wrong answer that no one’s allowed to have?
    — I don’t know what an Arthur Ashe award is.
    — Uncertain who Diane Sawyer is… but okay, was the conversation about the murder of a specific group? She doesn’t have to be a spokesperson for the issues.

    — How is being on a pedestal different from any other celebrity? It’s the reason I completely stopped watching TV and movies 10 years ago.
    — Her transition was chronicled that way because she’s rich. Again, how is that different from any other celeb?
    — Fair statement that she’s not a 100% accurate representation of what we all go through, but then we’re all different, so who among us is really accurate? At the very least this has a public discussion up and going that wasn’t there prior.
    — Again, economics. Are you as mad at Bill Gates?

    — I am uncertain how her platform use has been irresponsible.
    — Self indulging might be a fair criticism to an extent.
    — I have plenty of republican friends. I don’t detest them one bit (but this is ultimately going to be about acceptance, right?).
    — Not acknowledging intersections… depends on how severe this is. Does she just never talk about it? Or is she actively denying it?
    — “she’s been with urging trans people to step out and live their truths when she took more than six decades to reveal her truth to the world” … depends, might have to reallyyyyyyyyyyyy disagree on this one in particular. I didn’t even know I was trans until 3 years ago. I’m uncertain when she found out about herself, but not everyone knows from the start.
    — “having the wealth to make” – this is about the 4th time the author has mentioned wealth. Seriously, the wealth disparity is something we’re all struggling with, and Caitlyn’s rise to fame, as I understand it, happened due to training hard and winning an Olympic medal. It’s not like she’s a shady banker who sold bad financial items and deliberately caused the Housing Bubble of 2008. So why all the hate on the wealth she’s earned?

    — “So I will call her an elitist” – 5th time we’re mentioning wealth. I hope one day if I’m ever wealthy I’m not targeted like this. Having money automatically makes you friggen evil.
    — “I will call her narcissistic” – as an actual diagnosis? Or just as a part of more name-calling?
    — “I will call her selfish” – 6th time we’re mentioning wealth. I mean even I’m a far left socialist but this is starting to get out of hand.
    — “I will call her an oppressor” – annnnnnnnnnd we’re done.

    Caitlyn is an “oppressor”.

    Sure she is.

    She might has well have named herself Josephine Stalin.

    I agree on the whole “calling her Caitlyn” thing, but really we’re calling her every name under the sun and taking such extreme hate over such trivial things (and a lot of it is because she has money and therefore is an evil person).

    Thank goodness you’re drawing the line at gender-based name calling, so at least there’s that.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    First of all, I didn’t say she owed me anything. Second, she’s standing on a platform built on the backs and graves of poor trans women. She has every responsibility to them!

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    ❤️

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    ❤️

  • nicely said, all of it, and beautifully written. thanks for voicing this.

  • Kate ,

    Really, I think the anger is misplaced. She has no obligations to anyone but herself. Yes, some people are wired to want to help
    Others, but some aren’t. It is okay to be either.

    Get mad at the media focusing on her all day and all night. Get mad at the media for stalking her instead of hearing the community’s pleas. But not her. She doesn’t owe you anything.

  • One of these days someone well known in society and with real intellect will come out as being transgender and be able to be a true role model and example to act as a figurehead for the transgender movement. Until that time comes this is what we’re left with.
    But. as you so rightly point out in this powerful piece, although she may be a cow’s ass of a figurehead she still has a right to be treated as a person and referred to by the gender she identifies with.
    Thank you. 🙂

  • Victor ,

    Thank you for articulating this. Someone I know posted transphobic stuff about Caitlyn. He acts like he is totally accepting of me being a trans guy to my face, but then he posts stuff like that. He doesn’t get that by insulting someone for being trans, he insults all trans people.

  • Reblogged this on iitsstella and commented:
    This is a brilliant piece. Perfectly written <3

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    ❤️

  • Tora ,

    I love this article so much!!! I try to hold these conversations about Caitlyn with family and friends, but they usually take it as an opportunity to be transphobic. It is possible to call Caitlyn out for being a problematic elitist while using the correct pronouns. Thank you for writing this!!

  • I love this article! I try preaching this to family members and friends, but they usually take my criticism of Caitlyn as an open door to be transphobic. It is possible to call her out for being a problematic elitist while also using the proper pronouns!!! Thank you for writing this!

  • Reblogged this on My little lion.

  • I hate to admit it, but it took me a while to adjust my stupid brain after I met my first transgender friend. It was never a question of acceptance, she’s very lovable and awesome! Pronouns took me some time. I’m grateful she was patient. Now it’s as natural as breathing. Guess my point is, if someone is being friendly and struggling with pronouns, try and give them a chance if you can.

  • I had to check myself on this a couple months ago. I found myself having thoughts like – no, she is NOT a woman because a woman would know better etc. but eventually I had to smack myself around because no, she’s simply a very arrogant and ignorant woman making privileged white women everywhere look like pure empathy machines by comparison. I have had many privileges in life and yet to hear her say the hardest part of being a woman was deciding what to wear, in that context, still churns my stomach and literally stings my eyes. How dare she.

    So, as ever, you put these sentiments in a fashion so as to be effective. I ribbed you about it earlier but you really know when and where to implore literary devices, such as the mode of repetition used here and for how long. And despite catherine the clown up there – you used a word like detest and managed to not sound vitriolic at all.

    and for those of us who are the thinking members of your audience we can carry this over to other people / issues. or at least so i was told.

  • was it the part where she said she was never here for transphobia that made you say – “hey this lady is transphobic!” perhaps when she reiterated in a rhythm that even us white folks could tap along to all the hurtful and hateful things that she would not call her; all the ways that she would not denigrate her status as a woman that shouted transantagonistic! to you?? nah, that doesn’t even make sense. it must have been when she championed all the difficulties that so many transwomen face???

    or maybe your bitch ass wasn’t able to read the article because your head was jammed so far up cait’s ass??

    sigh. that almost wasn’t even fun. with your dumbass.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    I’m a ma’am, but I’ll take the compliment. ?

  • Brie Konrad ,

    Excellent read. As a trans woman I think you hit the nail on the head, sir.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    Y’all are clearly both lost. Reread and get back to me.

  • Corinne ,

    Why is she an idiot? Because she doesn’t like Caitlyn or because she refuses to call Caitlyn by her old name?

  • Reblogged this on Lara Holy.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    Ma’am, you’re an idiot.

  • What is the difference between Caitlyn and other rich women who wear dresses $ 5,000 Hollywood? Why hated Caitlyn Jenner and not hate others? I think this article is transphobic, pure jealousy !

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

    ? I’m learning everyday. I’m glad I did you proud.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

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  • Sephie ,

    Thank you so much. I have had friends who used transphobic attacks on her, and then when I called them out they justified their attacks by saying she deserved them and that they would never say those same things to me. I dissociated from them as it was pretty much boiled down to cis people saying that as long as we fell in line and agreed with them we would be “one of the good ones”, and as soon as we step out of line they will turn and attack us. I realize that within the trans community I am privileged (poor white transwoman, out for 5 years), but I am finding a lot of liberal white “allies” are fair weather friends. I understand that with my privilege I am late to come to this revelation

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

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  • I love this. This is how I feel about Caitlyn Jenner too but she’s achieved such ‘status’ now anything anyone says about her, including the very legitimate points you mentioned is construed as trans-phobia, we are saying these things about her because she’s trans. Thank you for honoring all the other transwomen who have no voice nor the resources to present themselves the way they like to the world.

  • Thank you for writing this. It’s exactly what I’ve been thinking but haven’t articulated.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha ,

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  • I appreciate this post. People, including myself, don’t always realize (and hell, some know damn well) how language can dehumanize a person when we consider them to be “not like us”. This is a great reminder about how important it is to critique the dangers (i.e. elitism, classism, sexism, other isms) in this society without being dangerous ourselves.

    Criticize her but call her Cait. I’m with that.

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