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Amy Poehler: The Sexual Assault of a Preschooler Is Not a Fucking Joke

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I’ve always had thick thighs and a big butt. As a little black girl growing up in a black community, these attributes were simultaneously a badge of honor, a mark of shame, and food for predators. I remember people telling me how nicely I was shaped when I was as young as five years old. There were times my parents made me change my jeans because they fit me “like a grown woman.” I must’ve been eight years old at most. At 13, I started to understand what was meant by “shape” and to appreciate my curves. I liked the way I looked in tight jeans and shorts until I would leave the house and fully-grown men would honk horns and yell the most disgustingly vile shit from their cars. At 14, a man in my neighborhood who was 22 years old walked up behind me and grabbed my ass and laughed about it saying, “Sorry. That joint looked too good.” Later that same summer, I was cornered by an older man who propositioned me $200 for sex and remarked how nice my ass was. I was violated, assaulted, berated, objectified and demeaned for as long as I could remember about my body. I, like so many other girls, black girls specifically, grew up believing the responsibility for not having my body violated was my own.

So when I read about the “joke” about Blue Ivy being old enough for R. Kelly to pee on her, I was shaking with anger. A joke about the sexual assault of anyone is vile. A joke about the sexual assault of a three-year-old demonstrates you crawled from the filthiest corner of the sewer. The fact that you greenlit something so unbelievably despicable and disgusting is proof positive that black girls are never allowed the innocence that childhood guarantees.

See, the 12-year-old girl in that video was not old enough for R. Kelly to pee on her. And the fact that adults purchased and watched a tape of a child being sexually assaulted, and no one nailed their asses to the wall for possession and distribution of child pornography proves that the bodies of little black girls are at once profitable and worthless. Celebrities all over the world have been charged and convicted of possessing child pornography. Not once has video of white children being violated sexually been leaked. The sacredness of their bodies and the irreproachable preciousness of their innocence assures that would never happen.

Yet, with full knowledge that she was underage, and therefore unable to consent to the sexual act itself much less the video recording of it, people still flocked to watch and critique the footage. I was reminded of my own misery as a girl when grown men and women declared there was “no way that girl was 12 with all that ass and titties.” I listened as men bragged about what they would’ve done differently to “that ass.” I overheard comparisons of this child to other preteen girls who were “fast.” I was horrified when Kelly’s sickness was excused because he couldn’t have know this girl was a child and the moves she put on him in the video proved she’d “been fucking for years.” I was brought back to the shame I felt having been told time again that I couldn’t be a virgin at 12 with “all that back there.”

So you see, Amy, there’s not one fucking thing funny about a joke about violating the body of a little black girl. There’s no shortage of famous little white girls. Why then, did you not select from that pool for the subject of your punch line? How did Blue Ivy get picked? I read you have two boys of your own. Since pedophiles often don’t have a gender preference, why not use your own children as the subjects of your joke? The thought is cringeworthy, isn’t it? The idea of a grown man pulling out his penis and urinating on your beautifully sweet and inherently pure child is maddeningly painful, right? So why the fuck do you think it’s ok to joke about with someone else’s child? What made your ignorant, corny, repugnant ass even formulate the words to say that shit? Do you realize this little girl is already in the spotlight through no fault or effort of her own? Have you seen the countless tweets, memes and statuses devoted to destroying her self-esteem before she can even write her name? Surely you’ve witnessed the jokes about her uncombed hair. I’m sure you cackled because that’s what those who find humor in kiddie porn do.

Now I’m sure your actions will be explained, excused and forgiven by white feminists who view little black girls as irrelevant at best and subhuman at worst. I’m sure they’ll gloss over the fact that you’re the producer — the decision maker — on a show which made a joke of pondering on the sexual maturity of a preschooler and rush out to support your next dry ass comedy. See that’s the difference in your pedastaled existence as a white woman and Blue Ivy’s existence as a black girl. You are always given the benefit of the doubt. Your willful disregard of the humanity of a black girl will always be blamed on poor choice rather than you being the piece of dog shit you are. You will never be held fully accountable for your mysogynoir. You’ll be shielded from the outrage and turned into the victim. Your bullshit statement crafted with precision by your publicist will be accepted by the masses, who’ll urge us to put your violent pondering behind us.

Well, I am not that forgiving. Fuck your entire life and career. You took the easy route and picked on the perpetual victim. You went for the mule of the world. You knew little black girls didn’t matter and as such, a joke about one of ours would be risqué and edgy. You used the violation of a three-year-old to further your career and push ratings. You disregarded the well-being, feelings and image of a black girl for your own advancement. Take a bow. You’ve now attained full status as a white feminist.

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  • cassdawn September 9, 2015, 1:27 pm

    http://lmgtfy.com/

    jesusfuckingchrist

  • pantaleimona September 8, 2015, 10:09 pm

    Thank you for writing this article. Thank you for saying what needs to be heard, for speaking truth.

  • colorcodedcloset August 30, 2015, 5:23 am

    I never really found Amy Poehler to be that funny. But I admit, there are things she’s said, such as this line in particular that have been so dark, that I just refuse to watch her on tv or netflix or hulu, whatever.

    It’s shit like what she said that just is NOT OKAY ON ANY LEVEL.

    As a 21 year old latina, I too have gottten unwanted attention for my body starting at 13. It made me sick that older guys would try and talk to me or touch me when it was clearly wrong. Amy crossed the fucking line with that comment about Blue Ivy. Who in their right mind would say such a thing???

  • Maga August 29, 2015, 3:36 pm

    A white feminist here stating her full support of your article. What Amy Poehler did was wrong. There IS no excuse. And little black girls are immensely relevant; freedom for some is not freedom. As feminists, we need to fight for those in our group who are most Vulnerable, such as women of color.

  • Kushite Prince August 25, 2015, 8:04 pm

    I’ve never found Amy that funny to begin with. And I can’t stand her gal pal Tina Fey either. They both get on my nerves.lol

  • Louise August 24, 2015, 12:03 am

    I can tell you right now, this white feminist, who survived child rape multiple times from age 8 onward and heard all sorts of comments about her body, thinks Amy Poehler should be crucified.

  • cassdawn August 22, 2015, 9:04 pm

    you say class can have an affect – lets go with that. If jay z and beyonce’s daughter isn’t upper class black family then who is and yet . . . So there in lays the difference race wise. There is no way to escape it if you are black.

    Some of what you’ve said I agree with – women are pretty much just property; the offense is only as horrid as the importance of the man the girl/women belongs to but that’s why black girls and women will never have sanctuary in this fucked society and white women who don’t recognize this are feeding into our own demise. We prop up a system that judges our worth by the man that would be offended.

    I mean, it’d be nice if we just gave a fuck because we have souls but since this whole debacle has shown me otherwise I’m trying a new tact.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 22, 2015, 3:06 pm

    She reviewed and approved it. She’s “very hands on” according to the star, but thanks for that. I will be tweeting him.

  • Titus August 22, 2015, 2:34 pm

    The show runner is Scott King. Easily accessible at @Scottykingking. Poehler just isn’t the show runner. She’s en EP.

  • Lawrence Johnson August 22, 2015, 9:12 am

    Damn that Sister LaSha ain’t no joke. Speak truth to power and hand them their ass. So tired of whites and backward Negroes justifying shit that would never be justified if the other way around.

  • Dana August 22, 2015, 3:55 am

    It may not be psychosis when someone is racist, and especially consciously, deliberately, hatefully racist, but it’s not sanity either. Racism is a toxic mimic of the natural xenophobia humans used to feel that drove them to defend their tribes from potentially dangerous strangers. The latter at least left room for strangers to introduce themselves peacefully and perhaps even one day join the tribe; racism has NO outs, gives NO relief whatsoever. Any behavior or belief that is destructive to the social fabric cannot possibly be rooted in sanity. Sanity by definition protects the social fabric. We are, after all, social animals.

    And it is not ableism to state that some forms of mental illness are dangerous any more than it is ableist to state that Ebola kills most people who get it and that therefore we should quarantine sufferers of that disease. We’ve tried the bit of letting all the mentally ill people run around loose in society and that hasn’t worked so hot. Denying that they have a problem and pretending that something else is going on instead isn’t any better. I’m not saying lock everybody up again, and the asylum system was incredibly abusive, but people like you seem to think we should act like the mentally ill are just like everybody else, and they’re *not*. They have issues preventing them from living to their full potential and from contributing to society and we need to deal with those on a case by case basis.

    And in this case, crazy person thinking black people are subhuman, YES, we need to deal with that, and not think that we can just “educate” them out of it because that has been TRIED and it hasn’t worked yet. Those who manage to wake up from their racist delusions had to do the work on their own and come to their own conclusions about reality. This is why we needed the Civil Rights Act of 1964. If we had just waited til people woke up from racism on their own, we’d still have Jim Crow now.

  • Dana August 22, 2015, 3:49 am

    This white feminist has got no use for Amy P. whatsoever. I barely even know who she is; I’m a Netflix gal, not a cable subscriber.

  • E M August 22, 2015, 2:56 am

    You are right. No amount of explaining or justification can take away the complete inappropriateness of the “joke”. Gross. Shame on every single person that laid their eyes on this script and didn’t speak up.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 21, 2015, 10:07 pm

    Thanks for the support, Danielle.

  • Danielle Delaney August 21, 2015, 8:12 pm

    LaSha,

    I’m so glad that you exist. Thank you for saying precisely and exactly what needed to be said. This “joke”
    was disgusting and unacceptable. Period.

    Thank you again. Please keep on doing what you’re doing. You’re wonderful at it.

  • Maggie Robinet Valera August 21, 2015, 6:23 pm

    Unfortunately what many people, particularly grown men, don’t seem to understand that this is all part and parcel a very large part of rape culture.

    Keep writing, empower women and if you can, empower girls because they need it the most. {{{hugs}}}

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 21, 2015, 6:19 pm

    That’s a false equivalence. Witchcraft being evil is highly debatable. A child being sexually assaulted is not.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 21, 2015, 6:16 pm

    Maggie! Thank you for this. This article has been shared everywhere and even though I know my combative writing style is not for everybody (I won’t change it to coddle folks still.), I cannot understand the polarization on the complete inappropriateness of the “joke.” We do not have to set things like this up. Essentially, this is molesting a child. That’s no laughing matter. Thanks for your support.

  • Maggie Robinet Valera August 21, 2015, 6:08 pm

    LaSha – Know that your op/ed piece has been spread in multiple directions. It was in fact a friend’s posting on Facebook that gave me the opportunity to read it in the first place. I’d like to share the follow up

    Old White Guy (name omitted due to lack of consent) said:

    It seems to me that is a great deal of unwarranted vitriol is being directed at Ms. Poehler in both the original article and in the comments. Comedy, especially comedy that attempts social commentary, is often crass in its over-the-line attempts to provoke a reaction to make its point. I have to wonder if this “joke” were, instead, said by someone known for crass humor such as Seth MacFarlane or Tracy Morgan or Sarah Silverman if this would have earned such a backlash. While Ms. LaSha’s personal disgust at the joke is understandable, she undercuts the legitimacy of her argument by allowing her article to devolve into an emotional tirade. The “joke”, while in arguably bad taste, was hardly supportive of the behavior that Ms. LaSha rails against. The character who tells the joke is seen to be attacked, in much the same way as Ms. Poehler is being attacked now. It is understood that the “joke” is inappropriately offensive and the fact that the character has to pay dearly for her failed attempt at humor is an illustration of that point. While I, personally, am no great fan of crass humor, I understand that there are times when this kind of comedy can provoke open discussion of taboo subjects that we, as a society, need to examine. Now, if everyone would be so kind as to give me a moment to let me put on my flame retardant undies before flaming me… wink emoticon
    Like · Reply · 2 hrs · Edited

    Maggie Robinet Valera:

    No flames, I’m just going to state my personal opinion such as it is. I feel that you’re really missing the mark commenting that the author “undercuts the legitimacy of her argument by allowing her article to devolve into an emotional tirade.”

    My opinion is that you entirely missed that it’s a commentary about more than just one joke and one girl. The distasteful joke was the catalyst for her speaking out. The article as a whole is a commentary of the treatment of young girls, particularly young girls of color, in our society. I feel that it’s because you have the privilege in this society of being male, that you’re able to make these cool, detatched comments because they can never touch you and you can never be subjected to them. You lack empathy and don’t obviously feel that you need to gain any from the looks of it.

  • Stephanie Edd August 21, 2015, 5:28 pm

    I think a lot of white people have very little tolerance for racial discomfort, so anything that makes them feel embarrassed or “lumped in” sets off these toddler-like defense tantrums.

    I can tell you that I definitely feel embarrassed and helpless and defensive when I fuck up and thoughtlessly say something racist. I just try to remind myself that being a fool is not the same thing as being an enemy. As a fool, I can still be an ally; I just have to be willing to learn and take responsibility.

    Thanks for throwing down so hard in this article. It’s great.

  • StephS August 21, 2015, 5:03 pm

    I understand you may not want to watch the episode, but writing this up after only hearing from somewhere else about the episode makes your opinion of the show’s episode seem less valid. It’s like when a Christian writes a piece about why Harry Potter is horrible for children because it promotes witchcraft, without having read the book.

  • Terricia August 21, 2015, 4:21 pm

    I already agreed with you, writeontheradio. I was talking about this article-that the tone and title and framing of this article is hitting issues I have on the head but then picking on the wrong points about the show to emphasize them, and so didn’t get right what was problematic about it because the author didn’t read or watch the episode.

  • writerontheradio August 21, 2015, 4:13 pm

    Look. I watched that episode. And I was horrified. I understand in “context” what they were trying to say. It still could have been done without using Blue Ivy (or any actual child for that matter). Plenty of shows have been able to pull it off.

  • Terricia August 21, 2015, 4:10 pm

    Oh definitely, I still agree with that being a line crossed. And I’m here for the whole first few paragraphs of excellent points about the sexualization of black girls as a huge problem in actuality and pop culture. I just think the framing of this piece was that there isn’t one thing funny about making jokes about the abuse of a child, and that’s exactly what the show was getting across. So while this was still a problematic episode of tv, it wasn’t in the exact ways explained here by someone who didn’t see or read a transcript of the show.

  • writerontheradio August 21, 2015, 4:06 pm

    Which could have been done without using an actual CHILD (Blue Ivy) as the butt of the “joke.”

    Jesus. Fucking. Christ.

  • Terricia August 21, 2015, 4:04 pm

    I think saying context would not justify this is a broad and sweeping claim that wouldn’t hold up if you applied this elsewhere. That’s like taking issue with Scandal for portraying the body of a black teen lying in the street for hours (a really tough episode to watch as I went back and forth with anger and frustration…as I do pretty much on a daily basis for the past year of the countless dead black bodies) when the overarching theme of the show was to attack and address the prejudices inherent in the policing systems. Taking the scene out of context we’d all just be in a rage at Shonda for having a scene in which an unarmed black boy was shot by a cop. There was no moment in the show Difficult People in which the joke about Blue Ivy was itself supposed to be funny. It wasn’t used for humor in and of itself. It was always serving the purpose to frame a broader issue (that yes, in turn was a joke, but comedies can address serious issue in light ways).

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 21, 2015, 3:56 pm

    I won’t. I don’t need to. Again, context would not justify this.

  • sarahpappalardo August 21, 2015, 3:47 pm

    Have you watched the episode yet?

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 21, 2015, 3:41 pm

    Jen, BABY! Say that shit.

  • jenroses August 21, 2015, 3:36 pm

    I laugh all the fucking time in my life without having to resort to sexist, racist bullshit masquerading as humor to yank shock laughs out of people. What the hell is wrong with you that you justify treating a living, breathing child this way for the sake of so-called humor and to “develop” a fictional character?

    Be a better ally, and stop yelling at people for talking the time to explain shit to you.

  • jenroses August 21, 2015, 3:21 pm

    Mine was. People thought I was my kid sister’s mother when I was 12. I was groped by a stranger at 9, classmates at 12, 17, 19. There was stuff earlier, too, when I started learning sex ed in school, I was shocked that there was not actually a penis bone because I’d encountered several by the time I was ten, all had been erect. My first dim memory of touching an adult penis I must have been a toddler. I think it was at daycare. I’m white, as pale as they come.

    The very idea of this being something to joke about is nauseating and triggery as fuck. That someone would think it okay to name an actual living, breathing child in that context makes me sad for humanity, and that white women wrote, said and approved it just makes me furious.

    I don’t give a shit if this was a fictional character or it was supposed to be unlikable at what the justification is supposed to be. Blue Ivy is a baby, a real, living, human person already growing up in the glare of a spotlight she never asked for. How dare they sexualize her that way.

    Our culture is hell on little girls, but little black girls have it harder. I went to elementary in the middle of Detroit, and what my friends were stressing over was a whole other level of crap from what I knew in my own life, living in the neighborhood and going to the same school.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 21, 2015, 3:04 pm

    Terricia, that point has been made repeatedly on this post. It’s still vile and disgusting. Why do it at the expensive of a real child? They could’ve created a fictional situation. There is no context that would excuse or explain this bullshit.

  • Terricia August 21, 2015, 2:59 pm

    I think people who are angry didn’t watch the show. The whole point of the episode is that people are appalled and offended the rest of the episode that the character (not played by amy poehler) would go that far for a joke. The character gets into many twitter feuds from the joke, and then even tries to defend herself at a party and the people around her are disgusted and offended, and even say, “You think it’s funny to make jokes about urinating on children?” The show is making a commentary on stuff like Guiliana Rancic and people who say offensive shit and then apologize but still don’t really feel sorry, and their stubbornness in acknowledging they’re doing anything wrong. So all your points would be valid except that I think Difficult People was making similar points too.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 21, 2015, 2:47 pm

    Yeah, a little reading comprehension would go a long way. Let me help you out: Every single man I referenced in the first paragraph and all the people I talked about viewing and critiquing that tape were black. If you took the time to read my responses to the people who have been respectful, I have already informed them that black women and girls experience objectification, oppression and sexual violence within our own communities. Perhaps reading about the intersections of race and gender/sex would help you.

  • Varulv August 21, 2015, 2:05 pm

    Wow, can’t even engage in civil discussion. I’m sorry you’ve been hurt, but holding onto hate only hurts yourself. Unrelated question: How many black rappers’ music videos objectify and demean curvy black women? (Answer: all of them). Blacks are just as bad at treating women bad as whites are. I’m willing to bet that over 50% of the people who shared R Kelly’s video were black. People of all colors are messed up. I know you’re just gonna say “fuck you” and refer back to hatred. But I had to say something.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 21, 2015, 1:22 pm

    Sis, this is what we live. And the terror knows no boundaries. People are telling us that we should learn to take a joke. They are telling us that the innocence of our babies is a joke to them. This is why I have zero fucking patience for these “context” and “lighten up” comments. This shit is real life for us.

  • theloulette August 21, 2015, 12:55 pm

    Reading this is so heartbreaking and scary. The things you wrote about growing up knocked the wind out of me because I have a three year old with ‘thick thighs and a round butt’ and I am so afraid for her that sometimes it makes me cry. I don’t know how to protect her from anything, but for God’s sake should I also have to worry about animals like Amy fucking Poehler SAYING ON TV that she can well expect to be sexually assaulted by a KNOWN PEDOPHILE? FROM HER CURRENT AGE?
    Whiteness – as evinced by the incomprehensible defending of this ‘joke’ by other white people trying to explain ‘context’ (WHAT THE FUCK) – is truly the devil. Audre said it. Audre said it. I’m in tears. This is literally the worst feeling in the world right now.

  • Elle August 21, 2015, 12:32 pm

    Why subject a 3YEAR OLD TODDLER to a “cringe-worthy joke”. Kylie Jenner just turned 18, why not use her given her parallel situation with her adult boyfriend? Don’t worry I’ll wait ….

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 21, 2015, 9:38 am

    Thanks, G.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 21, 2015, 9:38 am

    Miracle, genuine questions intended to seek understanding are always ok. So, several people have said the “joke” was at the expense of Kelly, when in fact it was not. We know he’s a pedophile. What was introduced was him sexually assaulting Blue Ivy. She was the subject of the joke. I chose Poehler because she attached her name to this. She was very hands on according to Klausner. She made edits to the script. Why didn’t she nix this?

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 21, 2015, 9:34 am

    To be clear, I know that women, regardless of color, are the victims of normalized sexual violence. There is a unique kind of sexual violence against black girls and women. As you said yourself, you’ve never experienced racism. So couple the sexual harassment/violation/assault you’ve experienced with the racism I’ve experienced. But you can only relate to one aspect of that. The intersection of race and sex/gender are critical when analyzing rape culture. For instance, in India, public gang rape is normalized. If an Indian women described her public gang rape, she would definitely have to explore the unique experiences of sexual violence toward Indian women. You see what I’m getting at?

  • breakingintomymind August 21, 2015, 9:28 am

    I’ve never seen that show, so I some understand the context, the characters, or why they would make a joke like that in the first place. As it stands, the comment is disgusting. Without having seen it, the way I’m understanding the joke is that they used Blue Ivy as a vehicle to make a point about what a creep that guy is? (Is this something this person did in real life, with the pee thing???) I’m sure that point could have been made without involving a child. I don’t find that sort of “edgy” humor funny.

    As far as being body/slut shamed as a child goes – I’m white, and fit women’s clothes and wore a C-cup bra by the end of 5th grade. I was shamed by pretty much every adult, and harassed by boys and men alike. I remember standing at the sink washing dishes and looking over and seeing a male family member staring at my breasts when I was around 10 or 11, and that never stopped. When I was 7, a car with a group of men in it stopped next to me as I was walking home from school and a man got out and tried to pull me into the backseat. I remember just freezing, it was like time just stopped, and then some of the other kids walking ahead of me ran back and started screaming and pulling me the opposite way. Sexual harassment at school continued through graduation. Even as an adult, I’ve experienced male rage and harassment for something as innocuous as accidentally stepping in a man’s way in line at the post office and being screamed at for being a “stupid fat bitch”. It happens, and it’s ugly. Now, I try as much as I can to protect my daughter from it. She’s 12, but is almost as tall as me and has the same curvy shape. A barista at a coffee shop was hitting on her just a couple of days ago, and staring at her chest while she was trying to order. Ugh.

    So I agree with the sentiments of this post, but I find the assumptions being made about what other women may or may not have experienced – of any race – to be frustrating. No, I haven’t experienced racism, but I know all about sexual harassment and being body shamed, even from a very young age. And it was accepted as though it was an inevitable part of life and that it was my responsibility to prevent. So I really do not think that experience can be limited to women/girls of any particular race, but I do think class can definitely have an effect on the ways this harassment is handled and the forms it takes.

  • miracle August 21, 2015, 7:53 am

    Is it ok for me to ask why you chose that headline? “Sexual assault of a todder” is not as accurate (in the context of the “joke” and the line and the show) as “Sexual assault of a teenager” (which would be more accurate, since that was the age of R Kelly’s victim).

    Is it ok for me to ask why you focused on Amy Poehler instead of the show creator Julie Klausner who is also the lead writer and actress who actualy said the line? Trying to understand.

    I thought you made a ton of good points in the article, and I really appreciated you sharing your perspective, but I dont understand the writing choices you made on the two above points.

  • G August 21, 2015, 4:46 am

    Thank you for the writing above. People’s facility with “risque” jokes, esp. casual references to child abuse, bigotry, and ableism that are casually excused as being “satire” or some weird reverse “punching up” that shows how awful the people punching down are with a “satirical” downward punch.. that’s just bullshit rationalizing around picking an easy target. Everyone laughs their horrible laughter and winks a big conspiratorial wink. I salute your post, thank you again.

  • writerontheradio August 21, 2015, 3:40 am

    Tiffany, I am so sorry that happened to you. I am so fucking angry right now. Fuck them all.

  • Simple Living August 21, 2015, 3:22 am

    Reblogged this on Simple Living and commented:
    I couldn’t agree more. I’ve had many of the same experiences growing up and it’s horrible. By the time my daughter was born the new trend was leopard print for little girls, a pattern normally associated with provocative or private wear, and I was horrified. I detest the baby pageants and all the sexualization of children… little girls, some as young as three dressed in heels and make up and even dressing as a movie prostitute. ??? One of the theories behind the Jon Benet Ramsey murder was that her mother did it because she saw her daughter as another woman and a threat to her marriage. What?!?!?!? She was 6 years old!! What the hell is going on here! Why is it that anytime we want to have the “sex talk” and empower kids with education people think they’re not old enough to know certain things… “just let them be kids.” Who’s kids? The ones parading around as hookers or the ones being fetishized and sexualized by adults? Those kids? I don’t think so. And for the record, no “in my day” we didn’t have the talk about good touching and bad touching and talking to grown ups. And you know what happened? I was molested for 2 years. If kids are old enough to be fondled, they’re old enough to be told that it shouldn’t happen to them. And there sure as hell should be comediennes getting laughs over it.

  • Joan K Raisner August 21, 2015, 2:31 am

    It is a very bad joke. It is wrong to even call it a joke. It was a disgusting piece of bigotry. What part of that does not reach your moral center, Bryan?

  • Joan K Raisner August 21, 2015, 2:27 am

    Bryan. What is your point? That “humor” excuses vile, racist, dehumanizing, behavior? It doesn’t. Retake a remedial Humanity 101 course and then come back to comment, okay?

  • Mel August 21, 2015, 1:15 am

    Uhh… Molly please use your brain. You don’t do it at the expense of a child. Make a joke about the Woody Allen or Jared thr Subway guy and one the cast member’s children. Then let’s see if it’s okay then to use a child to make a point.

  • Tiffany August 21, 2015, 12:45 am

    Ironic racism is this thing certain white people use to prove how not racist they are. They make a joke that’s so over the top disgusting and offensive that they couldn’t possibly mean it; and that’s supposed to show everyone how much more evolved they are than “regular white people”. (If you’d like more examples of ironic racism, watch an episode of Family Guy).

    These people have been taught that being racist is bad, and no one wants to be bad. So they declare themselves not racist and launch campaigns to prove their not racist-ness without doing any of the actual soul searching required to stop being racist.

    In my early twenties, I hung out with a group of white guys like the ones who wrote this line and the ones defending it. I was the only girl in the group and the only person of color (I’m mixed. Black enough to lend PC cred. but white enough to not make anyone too uncomfortable). Together we produced lots of “edgy” comedic short films and other “hilarious” content for the Internet. And then one day, one of then raped me. And guess what the rest of the group did. They excused away his actions and banished me from the group.

    That was almost ten years ago and you know what? All of those guys still think they’re “good people”. Forward thinking men and total not racists. And I bet they’re all defending this joke right now.

    Thank you for this post and for sparking this honest, much needed conversation.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 20, 2015, 11:48 pm

    Casey, there are some class issues within race. So that’s a fair enough claim, but a poor white girl is still a white girl.

  • Casey August 20, 2015, 11:47 pm

    I’m having mixed feelings to that, LaSha. I’m a feminist, and I’m white, but I’m also Appalachian. I could see a video of a 12-year-old “hillbilly” girl being met with mockery and general shittiness.

    And to all the people defending Poehler, even if she didn’t approve that particular content, she could still make a statement about it. As far as I know, she hasn’t.

  • Holly Ford August 20, 2015, 11:04 pm

    This about child abuse folks, and this article happens to be about black girls, who are particularly vulnerable because of our racist culture. But the disgusting truth is that child abuse happens in every country among all races. This is the stuff people need to be talking about, not brushing it under the rug as taboo. It’s a crime and it needs to be stopped.

  • Gloria Hood August 20, 2015, 10:59 pm

    For 26 years, I’ve been a therapist with children (of all races) who have experienced sexual assault. and sexual abuse. I just happened upon this post on Facebook and am appalled. Anyone connected to using the sexual abuse of a 12 yo as comedy is wrong, wrong, dead wrong and should be called out. I will never admire Amy P. again. Sexualization of a child is crime. I am glad that La Sha spoke up for all adult survivor’s of sexual abuse and for all children who have been molested. The problem with our society is not just that black little girls are objectified, it is that women are objectified and everything is sexualized. We need more people to stand up and tell those butt grabbing old men to knock it off and teach our children and teens that it is not a complement it is their depravity. Thank you Shae

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 20, 2015, 9:54 pm

    They would never have gone there with a white girl. That’s the point. And understanding something does not make it any less outrageous.

  • Jon August 20, 2015, 9:47 pm

    Why wouldn’t they use Suri Cruise? Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes were far less liked than Beyonce and Jay-Z are today. The fallout would have been a lot less than using Blue Ivy. Yes Suri is white. But pissing on a kid is ridiculous no matter the race.

    The whole basis of this episode is that everyone should be 100% against children being pissed on.

    This joke itself wasn’t meant to be funny. It was meant to evoke outrage. Which it clearly has done.It is meant to be distinctly unfunny. People explain context because many seem to think the joke was meant to be funny. The context explains why this unfunny joke leads to later funniness.

    This joke’s terribleness is why you laugh when the comedienne who says the joke is ridiculed and reviled and eventually pees herself.

    Now you say you get why the joke was used and if that’s true you 100% don’t have to find any of it funny. But, many don’t seem to understand why it was used.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 20, 2015, 9:34 pm

    Thanks!

  • lustyglutton August 20, 2015, 9:30 pm

    I had to scroll very fast through the comments because the first couple made me want to throw up. This is an important read. Thank you for writing it. I’m so sorry this is the reality.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 20, 2015, 9:06 pm

    Every comment you make will be deleted. Here, that whitesplaining, ignorant, racist bullshit gets deleted. You will not derail the discussion and center your feeling here, motherfucker.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 20, 2015, 8:50 pm

    Lawd! The real feminists are showing up in rare form today. Perfect response, Sarah.

  • Sarah August 20, 2015, 8:49 pm

    The argument isn’t that these acts of violence don’t happen to other groups of people, but rather society’s lack of concern for these acts of violence, specifically for young black women. Amy Poehler’s joke was used as an example for society’s lack of concern. And is significant because she is a feminist, so the lack of regard is more evident.

    Reread the critique. If your answer is still “well this is something that happens to everyone”, maybe take some time to think about how that reinforces the problem, rather than letting the actions be challenged as reprehensible.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 20, 2015, 8:32 pm

    Yeah, if you could work on your reading comprehension, that’d be great. She’s being called out for her bullshit because this happened this week. How the fuck do you know what criticisms I have or haven’t made of R. Kelly? Read through the comments before you jump your ass out there and you’ll see I’ve addressed the universal devaluing of black women and girls. Further, what would be nice is if you as a human being would say, “It’s not alright to joke about a baby being violated.” And get the fuck out of your feelings.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 20, 2015, 8:28 pm

    They keep trying to explain it, as if-if they say it enough, we’ll be ok with a preschooler being pissed on.

  • writerontheradio August 20, 2015, 8:26 pm

    I don’t understand folks’ insistence on this thing called “context.”

    I actually watched the show. I knew perfectly well why that joke was done. I still don’t think it’s funny at all.

    And no, they would never use Suri Cruise, because the fall out would have been too much for them.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 20, 2015, 8:25 pm

    It’s so simple for some white people to get this. And then you have the other 90% telling you to stop being sensitive. Thanks, Stephanie.

  • Stephanie Edd August 20, 2015, 8:22 pm

    Everyone involved on that show needs to take a seminar on intersectional feminism. White feminists, we may try our best, but we’re going to fail sometimes. We need to listen to women of color, in particular, in order to evolve and avoid incredible mistakes like this.

    To begin with, don’t make jokes that could be construed in any way as making light of the sexual violence committed against women of color. You may want to make fun of R Kelly really bad, but it’s not worth hurting people and contributing to the racist narrative that black women’s bodies are inherently sexual and usable. Don’t be callous. Make another joke. There are so many other jokes.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 20, 2015, 7:57 pm

    What’s extreme? I mean, if joking about being pissed on is good enough for someone else’s daughter, surely it’s good enough for his.

  • Tisha August 20, 2015, 7:22 pm

    Well thats extreme as shit. damn. All he did was disagree.

  • Jon August 20, 2015, 6:51 pm

    The joke works (or doesn’t work) no matter who the child R. Kelly is urinating on is. Blue Ivy is likely used because she is universally recognized and universally beloved. Were (hypothetical) kids, or Poehler’s famous enough to be recognized by twitizens, they too would be acceptable.A couple of years ago it would probably have been someone like Suri Cruise. Is the thought of any of these children being urinated on funny? No.

    But, the comedy of this television episode (on a series entitled “Terrible People”) comes not from laughing at the idea of R. Kelly urinating on a child, but as a result of schadenfreude; from watching bad things happen to the terrible person who said the joke.

    She and the show’s writers probably shouldn’t have chosen a black girl, because of the numerous objections you stated regarding the problematic treatment of young black girls (or all black people). And maybe context is irrelevant for you (judge away), but I guess I just wanted to include context on why those who laughed while watching this episode did laugh.

  • Myke August 20, 2015, 6:03 pm

    YESSSSSSSS. Speak your truth. All my support & love. I stand behind you.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 20, 2015, 5:38 pm

    Thanks so much, Paras. I appreciate the support.

  • Paras Memon August 20, 2015, 5:35 pm

    I’ve read through the article and all the comments and just wanna say SO MUCH RESPECT FOR YOU. Not only have you spoken out about something that a lot of people (mostly white people affected by white privilige and men) don’t understand, and consider radical (even though basic human respect and respecting women’s/black bodies is NOT radical and is, well, BASIC, but the world is fucked and slow to recognize this), but you’ve also been quick to admit when you are wrong ie post above mine and I just want to say, so much respect for you. Here for you <3

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 20, 2015, 5:16 pm

    Yeah, you must be confused about me. I don’t need white people to fight for me. And I definitely don’t need an ally consider who jokes about a child being pissed. It must be exhausting to defend kidde rape jokes, you fucking cretin animal. Why don’t tell a few jokes about your kids or nieces being raped at your next family reunion and watch the family have a hearty laugh?

  • Bryan August 20, 2015, 4:42 pm

    It’s a joke. It’s a joke. It’s a joke. If you can’t tell the difference between a joke spoken by a fictional character on a TV show MEANT TO BE OFFENSIVE and, say, a sincere statement of personal belief, you should stop watching comedy. And you should certainly stop commenting on it. Because your credibility is exactly zero.

    It must be exhausting to hunt for enemies among your allies.

  • jennydeebee August 20, 2015, 4:36 pm

    EX?ACT?LY?

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 20, 2015, 4:01 pm

    Come through with the good word! Love it!

  • jennydeebee August 20, 2015, 3:57 pm

    It’s disgusting that a baby, happened to be born of famous parents, is already being sexualized and abused. Their choice is a famous baby was intentional – choosing a young black girl as a victim of a notorious black man — calling one worthless and the other a predator/menace. It’s fucking gross. Do I think Amy Poehler is 100% to blame? Eh, probably not. I generally like what she has to say and it’s upsetting to watch someone you look up to falter in such a despicable way. That being said, she needs to be called out. Context offers some relief, but they still made their decisions.

    Thanks, LaSha, for bringing this up and defending your word!

  • calamitybob August 20, 2015, 3:53 pm

    Queer here and weighing in. For all the people who still don’t get why this was bad because it was ‘to show how deplorable people can be’ let me make it clear.

    Imagine how you would feel if the tweet had been about raping Kristen Stewart straight.

    Imagine how you would feel if the joke had been about why Jews don’t clean ovens.

    Imagine how you would feel if the joke had been about little boys having their penises cut off.

    And now realize that it wasn’t any of these things because people are allowed to be mad about them and have the power to challenge them without people showing up on their blogsite going “but it was funny!”

    You want to make a joke to prove people are deplorable? Make it about puppies. Amy could have made it about puppies. Then again, had she made it about puppies people everywhere would have been offended. And how fucked up is that?

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 20, 2015, 3:12 pm

    Thank you, ma’am.

  • http://theenglishprofessoratlarge.com August 20, 2015, 3:05 pm

    I’m a white woman in her 80s, so I’ve seen a lot of racism throughout the years. Deplorably, not a lot has changed when it comes to women. My family raised me to regard everyone as a human being with an inner spirit and that nationality or color or looks did not change that. Everyone on that show, from the sponsor to the producer and the actors were responsible. At any time, one of them could have spoken up and killed that joke. Good for you to object so strenuously.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 20, 2015, 2:19 pm

    Speak!

  • Hil August 20, 2015, 2:19 pm

    What pisses me off is when people or news sites say that this is all just backlash from beyonce’s fans. Don’t try to blame this on fanaticism. Like no, this is backlash from any human being with a conscience.

  • Jacqueline August 20, 2015, 2:05 pm

    As the asker of that question, I did not mean in any way to distract from the real issue. I was merely curious and honestly wanted LaSha’s opinion. That being said, I completely agree with your suggestion Joan.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 20, 2015, 1:54 pm

    Thanks. Rape culture is so real.

  • lorirensink August 20, 2015, 1:52 pm

    LaSha I am sorry that this happened to you at such a young age. It is not something that any young girl, or for that matter any human no matter the age or gender, should have to go through.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 20, 2015, 1:33 pm

    You got it! All those people let this pass and now we’re expected to understand the context of a grown man pissing on a child. SMH

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 20, 2015, 1:32 pm

    Thanks, Joan. Simple and well-put.

  • Appalachian Gal August 20, 2015, 1:12 pm

    What amazes me is that someone wrote this, it went to the writing room, passed muster with all the other writers on the show, went into the script, was read by the director, other actors and whomever else had access to the script, then spoken and filmed, *THEN* edited and broadcast and at not a single point anywhere, did anyone kick up enough fuss to have this scrapped. Did none of these dozens or maybe scores of people say “this is fucked, we don’t need this, if we want to make this character unlikable, there’s other ways of doing this without dragging in someone’s baby”? Can you imagine the number of people who said it was OK to say this about a little girl in order for this to be broadcast? This isn’t some nobody jackass saying something disgusting on social media, it is “professionally” produced entertainment. As a society, this is what we are telling people that little black girls are: the butt of a joke, a throw-away line, “character development” for a white person. And people are confused that there is a fuss being made!

  • Joan K Raisner August 20, 2015, 1:04 pm

    LaSha, I agree that the joke was vile, and writing it to involve the name of a real person just made it even more atrocious. No excuses, no explanations, no hesitation. Someone asked what you would want to be done. That is usually asked to deflect from the rage and total upset reaction that is taking place. It is not your job to be responsible to come up with solutions. Your job was to point and point point some more at the abominiation that occurred. You can imagine what would happen if you took the bait and started to talk solutions. Then the entire discussion would be shifted to that topic and off the point of your outrage. I, on the other hand, can make a suggestion. Take the show off the air. Permanently shut it down. That’s it. Consequences of being a bigot and irresponsible fool. Be gone.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 20, 2015, 12:49 pm

    Poor taste is farting at the dinner table. A joke about a baby being sexually violated is sick. I wish some of you people were as concerned about the well-being of the three-year-old she insulted as you are about Amy’s grown ass.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 20, 2015, 12:48 pm

    Question: What makes you think I give a damn about your opinion of me? Better question: Do you really think you know my mindset?

    Point blank: If you don’t like the way I prepare my steak, don’t come to my house for dinner.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 20, 2015, 12:46 pm

    Yeah, when it comes to sexual assault, especially of children, I tend to be very one-sided. If someone’s reaction is anything other than sheer disgust, I treat them like the pieces of shit they are.

  • mamaof4 August 20, 2015, 12:45 pm

    Shouldnt we be blaming the TV stations, Cable Companies, Internet Companies and so on, the ones LETTING this out into the world? Amy is not the ONLY one to blame and she sure didnt have anything to do with EXPLOITING ANY child. Poor taste in a joke yes totally but people are to quick to judge and without doing their homework 1st 🙁 Remember the way we judge will be the way we will be judged. Like YouTube you cant believe EVERYTHING you read or see now a days online 🙁

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 20, 2015, 12:44 pm

    You got it. There’s no context or explanation which would make this anything other than disgusting.

  • witchinsuburbia August 20, 2015, 12:41 pm

    It was a revolting, unfunny, dehumanizing joke. Context is generally pretty important, but in this case, I don’t care. Had it been my decision the ‘joke’ wouldn’t have been included in the show. I can’t demand respect and courtesy for my own children if I (even jokingly) make such a comment about someone else’s child.
    Feminism is supposed to be about equality for us all. The core of the movement was about women in general, not white women only. ALL women as sisters fighting for the same principles. How can people have forgotten this?

  • Tisha August 20, 2015, 12:21 pm

    You a have a very “I’m right, you’re wrong, if you don’t agree with me youre stupod and invalid.” Mindset
    Its a dangerous trait to have for someone with a following.

  • Tisha August 20, 2015, 12:18 pm

    I got the point. It was very hard to get that point because of the unnecessary hatred, especially within the comments that don’t entirely agree with you

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 20, 2015, 10:00 am

    Oh, I’m sorry, does Blue Ivy have a record with him? She’s not responsible for her parents. Get the fuck outta here with that bullshit.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 20, 2015, 9:59 am

    Thank you, Shelby.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 20, 2015, 9:59 am

    Thanks, Sara.

  • Sara B August 20, 2015, 9:23 am

    You are right LaSha. You’ve nailed it. That joke takes advantage of the fact that black women are dehumanized regularly. Even if it was told to make a fictional character look like an ass, the subject of that joke would have never in a million years been a white child. As a white woman, I feel embarrassed of the way that people blind themselves to reality and deny their contribution to the problem by trying to justify this bullshit. “But I’M not racist so I can laugh at this joke..” “But it’s not MY fault..” No. There’s never a time where it’s ok to excuse the abuse of a human being for the sake of entertainment, EVER. There’s never a time where vindicating your intentions comes before validating the experience of a wounded person or community. I can’t imagine how I’d feel as a black woman, but I know that I’m outraged with you and for you just reading this, and I don’t have to deal with any of the obstacles you face on a daily basis. Your voice needs to be heard. Don’t let anyone tell you that your outrage isn’t gentle enough. This joke was not gentle. This joke IS an attack on the humanity of black women. Accepting it and excusing it are just as damaging as telling the joke itself. I wish more people felt this way but white people do not empathize. They can not conceptualize challenges that they don’t have to face, because they don’t HAVE to. Their lives are too comfortable. Ultimately LaSha, you know the truth. You know you’re right about this. You don’t need me to tell you that I agree, but I can’t help myself. I agree boldly! Sharing this article. There are many many people in my social media that could use this dose of reality and be held accountable. –With respect and sincerity, Sara.

  • N August 20, 2015, 8:05 am

    I hadn’t heard about this until I read this article. I thought she was an ok gal, but I guess you can never really tell. What a horrible, horrible thing for her to do.

  • shelby August 20, 2015, 7:43 am

    Hey, I just wanted to say thank you for writing this. It’s horrible that you and other kids were treated in such a degrading, dehumanizing manner. It’s not ok that you were objectified, assaulted, and sounds like had trust broken. Thank you for sharing this and shedding light.

  • gogogogogogogadgetflow August 20, 2015, 7:36 am

    “insert your child or grandchild’s name into the “joke”…is it still funny”

    It isn’t funny. I’m sure Jay-Z and Beyonce would be disgusted that anybody would even reference that disgusting pedophile, R. Kelly. I mean, they would never associate with such a disgusting human being because they would say to themselves “What if that were my child he had assaulted?”

    Oh wait, they both made records with him after Kelly was outed as a pedophile.

  • Sarah August 20, 2015, 4:43 am

    I was sexually abused and raped as a child. Felt (and told) that it was my fault until I was an adult. I’m so sorry you had similar experiences. And I cannot fucking believe anyone would joke about this. My first boyfriend was a huge R. Kelly fan and we got into this huge fight because I told him I couldn’t stand that he listened to that rapist’s music. We broke up a few weeks later because he hated the fact that I couldn’t let him get past kissing me and so he cheated on me. Anyway, I appreciate you taking a stand on this.

  • kaylyndr August 20, 2015, 4:21 am

    Anyone that doesn’t see how disgusting this is needs help. Not funny in the least!

  • kaylyndr August 20, 2015, 4:18 am

    Oh for the love of God, how can anyone spend time defending this? Its disgusting.

  • Non-Black Minority August 20, 2015, 4:17 am

    Rock on, LaSha! I am Asian and I hear you!

  • Andrew Fish August 20, 2015, 4:06 am

    This story is demonstrating the cruelness of the joke as the movie demonstrates the cruelness of the Nazi Party.
    I totally agree they shouldn’t have used a real person though, they would never have gotten it approved by Beyonce and Jay-Z, so to have done it without even considering how this might effect their family is absolutely bullshit. Amy Poehler and everyone involved were extremely neglectful and inconsiderate at best, and absolutely deplorable to say the least.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 20, 2015, 3:57 am

    Your example is very flawed. Telling the story of the Holocaust would require representations of Nazis. There was absolutely no reason to make that “joke” at all. Even if she wanted to make such a vile joke, why not make all fictional characters? Why use a real child who could be damaged by it? That baby is not fodder for her.

  • Andrew Fish August 20, 2015, 3:54 am

    I honestly have sincere confusion here. The joke was not created to be funny, it was created to be controversial, which is exactly why the character in the show faced backlash within the show. We don’t hate on the people who approved a fictionalized version of World War II for featuring Nazis so why are we hating on the people who approved a character using an offensive joke. I’d honestly appreciate some constructive criticism so I can learn and understand the situation.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 20, 2015, 3:54 am

    Gon’ tell the truth, Ken.

  • Ken August 20, 2015, 3:42 am

    The first comment suggested doing research. Well, I’ve done mine, and I found something from an interview in Entertainment Weekly (http://www.vibe.com/2015/08/amy-poehler-blue-ivy-joke-difficult-people/). Klausner said the following:

    “Amy could not have been more hands-on. She did not only give notes on every script, she gave notes on every draft of every outline. She weighed in on casting videos, cast roles. She weighed in on production matters. She came up with the title. She would give notes on every single edit, not only of the shows but of the promos, the trailers. She would be involved in every stage of the process in a way that she would go above and beyond.”

    So there you go. Poehler is most definitely responsible. And sure, the line may be designed to make a character look bad, but guess what? That character isn’t real. She’s fictional. She says what the creators want her to say. And of all the ways to get the point across, they chose to drag a real-life three-year-old black girl into the mud. There had to have been another way.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 20, 2015, 3:24 am

    Because any reasonable human being would know there’s no context in which a joke about a child being sexually violated would be anything less than vile.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 20, 2015, 3:22 am

    Clearly not overshadowed since you still recognized the good points. Your critique of my writing leaves me unbothered though.

  • Tar Zan August 20, 2015, 3:18 am

    how is it vile if you don’t even know the joke?!

  • Tisha August 20, 2015, 3:15 am

    I read your post and though you have some good points, it’s over shadowed by anger and rambling tendancies

  • James August 20, 2015, 2:21 am

    The joke isn’t the actual joke itself, the joke is that someone would be stupid enough to make said joke and not expect to face consequences. And this is coming from a sexual assault survivor

  • Jacqueline August 20, 2015, 2:16 am

    It’s fucking awful but you’re right

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 20, 2015, 2:10 am

    I don’t know honestly.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 20, 2015, 2:09 am

    I do not dispute that white children are victims of sexual assault and pornography. I just know that distribution of a tape with a 12-year-old white girl performing explicit acts would be met with absolute outrage.

  • mademoisellemichelle1990 August 20, 2015, 2:03 am

    I agree. There is nothing funny about pedophilia and there never will be. I hope comedians start losing their careers over such vile jesting and learn their lessons….

  • Jacqueline August 20, 2015, 1:54 am

    Also, what would you have Amy Poehler do at this point to make any sort of amends for the joke?

  • Jacqueline August 20, 2015, 1:48 am

    As a white feminist and former fan of Amy Poehler, I am truly disgusted. I don’t know the entire context surrounding the joke but even so I have lost respect for Poehler. That is vile, and it shouldn’t be hard to be funny without being vile.
    I do want to say that all kinds of children are abused and objectified for the sake of entertainment on the Internet, regardless of race or gender. While they should all be fought for and people should be angry for all of them, it is true that children of color have it much worse.
    Thank you for your post on this and know that I feel your anger as well.

  • Kelsey Cowie August 20, 2015, 1:42 am

    This was so raw and so real. Black women in this society and in this culture are valued less than their counterparts. Lets be honest for all the white girls reported missing in the news where were the ones about the little black girls?

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 20, 2015, 1:30 am

    I mean that white feminists routinely, intentionally or unconsciously, ignore or diminish the value, work and experiences of women of color, particularly black women.

  • Sam August 20, 2015, 1:03 am

    When you ended this with “Take a bow. You’ve now attained full status as a white feminist.”…what do you mean by that?

  • jdawgswords August 20, 2015, 12:46 am

    yes, lasha, it’s in most rap music…you get very little respect as a group…difference…you’re saying “HELL NO!!! BACK OFF!!!”

  • jdawgswords August 20, 2015, 12:40 am

    I totally agree…she supports it by default…even if their are other folks in the pic…jump ship, and publicly denounce…she didn’t, she’s guilty

  • jdawgswords August 20, 2015, 12:36 am

    amy was the producer…she’s the one holding the steering wheel and operating the pedals

  • jdawgswords August 20, 2015, 12:34 am

    YOU WERE NEVER WORTHLESS!!! sorry, had to scream that…they kicked a little girl out of choir because she “couldn’t sing and was being disruptive”…another awesome black woman…i’m not perfect and it took me quite a bit of time but i’m learning to be empathic and caring…it takes a village to raise a child…and we all bleed red…so all babies matter

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 20, 2015, 12:34 am

    Come thru!

  • writerontheradio August 20, 2015, 12:32 am

    Just like clockwork, white folks will just crawl out of the woodworks and bend over backwards to defend their own. Like why?

    If you think it’s funny, then I sincerely hope that you’ll laugh if your children get pissed on or are subjected to sexual violence. Otherwise, you’re just a fucking hypocrite.

    I am so tired of black girls being seen as adults and not children, and being objectified and devalued. Amy Poehler may not have “directly” written that line, but Julie Klausner said she was “heavily involved” in the show. She’s a fucking producer. She gives the green light on these sorts of things. Best believe that if the joke was about her own children, she would have been coming for blood.

  • jdawgswords August 20, 2015, 12:28 am

    ummm…I feel this woman’s rage…I “look like my momma” was a common phrase until I was around 28yr-old…and I suffered from being assaulted and groped… and I was sexually confused until my 30’s…sure the statement was SUPPOSSED to be about the lifestyle of R Kelly…sorry, you can’t aim a shotgun…this one, like most rape jokes burned amy…many moons ago a man sat in a circle of reporters and said, “weather is sorta like rape, you can’t change it so you might as well enjoy it!” (maybe not a exact quote, but…)…point is, it’s vile and tasteless…and undefendable…PERIOD

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 20, 2015, 12:24 am

    That last line says it all.

  • jdawgswords August 20, 2015, 12:15 am

    whitesplaining? this is a new phrase…plz explain

  • jdawgswords August 20, 2015, 12:13 am

    yeah…ummm…I think the backstory got overpowered here…no less than 3.2 million hits…most blasting the remark…maybe amy didn’t make the remark BUT she is the producer…sorta like the get away driver didn’t rob the bank…yeah, amy’s guilty…AND the author of this post is correct it’s sick, vile, and, by default, racist…don’t agree? ok…insert your child or grandchild’s name into the “joke”…is it still funny?

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 20, 2015, 12:04 am

    Explained and understood. I’ll delete.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 20, 2015, 12:03 am

    Bec, understand that the devaluing and victimization of black girls is not limited to the white community. Black girls and women are oppressed within our own community as well. Thanks for the support.

  • Bec August 19, 2015, 11:59 pm

    I’m glad there was no attempt to hold back on the anger here – this is so disgusting I can’t even fucking believe it. White people, just for once can we…not? And then keep right not not-ing. Fuuuck.

    LaSha, I’m sorry for everything you went through, no little girl should have to deal with that.

  • M August 19, 2015, 11:54 pm

    Calling it psychosis when people defend racist fucked up jokes implies that psychosis is bad. You have basically used “psychosis” as an insult. How does psychosis relate to this at all? Psychosis is a real condition that a lot of people experience.

  • Lindsay August 19, 2015, 11:50 pm

    LaSha — Thank you for this perspective. I’ve never seen the show and don’t know anything about it. But such a comment is disgusting. Those who are saying “It’s not just black girls who deal with this sexualization, but white girls and boys too,” are seriously missing the bigger picture. They are saying “I experienced assault; you experienced assault; we are the same.” No. Just no.

    As a white female, I was certainly approached by men at a young age (seriously, wtf is wrong with these people) and have been in terrifying situations. But my “virtue” was not questioned when I was 12. No one claimed I was asking for it. No one told me to change my clothes because I was sending the wrong message. Same goes for a boy. THAT privilege does make a big difference. And the only reason is, in fact, race.

    The feminist movement has a big problem failing to acknowledge and fight for black women’s rights. For what little it may be worth, some of us recognize it, are open to having honest discussions about it, and are fighting to change that. Of course, I still have a lot to learn and consider, but welcome reading your perspective.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 19, 2015, 11:48 pm

    From what I googled, I don’t feel like this is sanism. Explain it to me. And I say that completely seriously because I take ableism very seriously.

  • M August 19, 2015, 11:45 pm

    Sanism is ableism. Really, there is no need to conflate psychosis and bigotry. They have nothing to do with each other.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 19, 2015, 11:29 pm

    As is any human being with a moral compass.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 19, 2015, 11:18 pm

    Thanks, love!

  • Thumbup August 19, 2015, 11:13 pm

    Disgusting, vile, morally wrong. Sorry to hear of your happenings while so terribly young from those adults.

  • G S August 19, 2015, 11:10 pm

    Poehler*

  • uju August 19, 2015, 11:09 pm

    I am disgusted.

  • G S August 19, 2015, 11:07 pm

    Amy Koehler runs the show. She commands the content. Therefore, she owns the shame. Captain that burning ship!

  • em August 19, 2015, 10:56 pm

    I’m native and everything you described about having a round butt and getting unwanted attention since I was a fucking baby for it is literally my entire childhood. Women of color don’t get childhoods, black women even less.

    My ex gf used to push me a lot to watch this show, and even though I explained her why I didn’t want to (I’ve got enough warnings about the portrayal of latinxs and natives, and generally white feminism) she just wouldn’t understand. I’m glad I never gave in, I have enough anxiety to deal with than being disappointing with a disgusting show.

    The reason we broke up was actually that bunch of white feminism. No wonder why it was her favorite show.

    Thanks for this entry. Thanks for warning others about toxic shows. Thanks for speaking out. And thanks for not being polite to those who don’t want to understand .

    Preach.

  • Opinionated Man August 19, 2015, 10:55 pm

    Reblogged this on HarsH ReaLiTy and commented:
    I am not sure what I found more amusing. This post or the dialogue that followed in the comment section lol. -OM
    Note: Comments disabled here, please visit their blog.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 19, 2015, 10:35 pm

    Thanks for being a human being and seeing how disgusting this is.

  • MalyKotka August 19, 2015, 10:32 pm

    People saying she didn’t write the show: no she didn’t but she definitely fucking approved it. And Klaussner has said tthat she Poehler was heavily involved in the writing of the script.

    Also, the “Oh but it’s not meant to be funny” excuse doesn’t fly; sure, you’re not meant to admire the klaussner’s character for it, but the story of the episode is definitely more “Ha, what a clutz, made a bit of a twitter boo-boo lol” rather than “No actually what a really fucked up thing to say and expect people to find funny”.

    thanks to Lasha for writing this and I’m really fucking sorry that you have to deal with this bullshit and with people defending it. It is disgusting.

  • guest August 19, 2015, 10:08 pm

    I had never heard of this and am appalled- no matter who wrote it, approved it, stated it – the joke and the video this abuser did (I’m flying blind here – this is the first I’ve heard of R. Kelly and what apparently happened in this video to that poor 12 year old innocent) – this should go viral and law enforcement should immediately step in and file as many charges as can be leveled to the full extent of the law – imprisonment is the least that should happen to him!

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 19, 2015, 9:33 pm

    Respect.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 19, 2015, 9:27 pm

    Hate to break it to you, but fuck your opinion if it’s not “This is disgusting.”

  • guest August 19, 2015, 9:17 pm

    Hate to two you this, but child pornography features children of every race. I know, I’ve accidentally stumbled onto it more than once online. It’s utterly disgusting and is one of the few times something I saw online has made me shed tears. Female underage victimization happens in every culture, it is not the sole domain of young black women. As a young white boy, I was molested, as a teenager I was propositioned by middle aged men, and I have been groped as an adult. Sexual victimization is not limited to race or gender. It may happen more frequently for black women, I don’t know the statistics, but acting like it only happens to young women of one race is preposterous.
    I agree, the joke was in poor taste, but it was supposed to be for plot development. The joke was more a reflection of R. Kelly’s twisted sexuality than a comment on Blue Ivy. She could have been replaced with anyone, but it wouldn’t have had the same effect. The point was to make the character less likable.
    As for Amy Poehler, she fights extensively for feminism, equality for all people regardless of age, race, sexuality, and gender. Your seething hatred is misinformed.

  • Al August 19, 2015, 8:46 pm

    Not trying to defend Poehler, she very well could have read the script and approved it. But @julieklausner wrote it and she’s the star of the show. I’ve already been after her on twitter and got blocked. More people need to get on her ass.

  • Lisa August 19, 2015, 8:24 pm

    I don’t watch this show (and will make it a point now to NEVER watch this show), I don’t care what the context was, I don’t care who approved it. This should NEVER have been allowed on a TV show. And certainly NEVER referencing a real child. What is wrong with people today? I am a white woman and I don’t accept, condone, or excuse the abuse of any child. This tasteless, crappy, stupid part of the episode would not have made it on air had the child been white.

  • Tafari August 19, 2015, 7:27 pm

    #Rightfist and right on LaSha!

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 19, 2015, 7:02 pm

    Girl, you can’t even be shocked anymore.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 19, 2015, 7:01 pm

    You already knew it was coming.

  • Marquaysa Battle August 19, 2015, 6:54 pm

    100% agreed. I don’t even see how or why ANYONE would get up on this here platform and fix their fingers to type a defense for Amy Poehler and any other person involved. It’s entirely disgusting.

  • Brittany August 19, 2015, 6:53 pm

    Where did these bitches come from? They came here to do the very thing that you said they would to defend her. Smh.

  • Molly August 19, 2015, 6:50 pm

    The show has multiple writers and 11 producers. Any script would be approved by Hulu and universal television which produces the show. If you have issues why is Amy the only one being singled out? Because she’s more famous than Klausner and therefore an easier target?

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 19, 2015, 6:31 pm

    Who approved it?

  • Al August 19, 2015, 6:24 pm

    Amy Poehler did not write the joke; it was written by Julie Klausner and said by her in the show (she wrote the whole series). She’s very reachable on twitter @julieklausner, I would know cuz she blocked me over this.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 19, 2015, 6:17 pm

    Ha! Just a black woman who used to be a black girl who society said was worthless. I know better now though, sis.

  • Lazell August 19, 2015, 6:11 pm

    Everything LaSha said.

    Some white people will extend the benefit of the doubt to any white person offending/attacking any person of color, regardless of the degree of the transgression.

    The shit is psychosis.

  • Tamara Laird August 19, 2015, 6:11 pm

    Lasha- who are you? I like you, I like you a lot. You are blunt to the point. And needless to say, you are correct in your post about black girls. We tend to not matter to the mass.

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 19, 2015, 4:51 pm

    First of all, fuck you. Second of all, this is not a disturbance. This is an attack on the humanity of black girls. Finally, take your diplomacy and choke on it.

  • Ash August 19, 2015, 4:48 pm

    Staying hateful and angry is what will solve this disturbance, right LaSha?

  • Kinfolk Kollective avatar LaSha August 19, 2015, 2:42 pm

    Shut the fuck up with your whitesplaining.

  • Molly August 19, 2015, 2:17 pm

    Do your research. Amy didn’t say this. Yes it was dialogue on a show she’s one of the producers of but it was written and spoken by hard writer/star of the show Julie Klausner. Also not that you care about context but the “joke” wasn’t meant to be funny. It was meant to be cringeworthy and tasteless. The main character tweets it and is given hell for the rest of the episode. The whole point is to illustrate how awful she is.

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